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Re: Death late 1950's/early 60's
« Reply #18 on: Monday 18 December 17 08:52 GMT (UK) »
Why not just email the Coroner Mr. Cathal Louth in East Wicklow and ask about inquest??

http://www.coroners.ie/en/cor/pages/coronercontactdetails#Wicklow
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Re: Death late 1950's/early 60's
« Reply #19 on: Monday 18 December 17 19:03 GMT (UK) »
Assuming Monaghan was his family's starting point.
His wife was a young woman with two young children to support I wonder did his family step in and bring him home to Monaghan to be buried.
Would your Grand mother know where in Monaghan earlier family were buried?
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Re: Death late 1950's/early 60's
« Reply #20 on: Monday 18 December 17 23:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sinann,

I have spoken to my grandmother and she has not recollection of burial sites for her family however seems to think he grandparents were most probably buried in Monaghan.

Do you think it is worth contacting the centuries direct?

Many thanks

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Re: Death late 1950's/early 60's
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 19 December 17 10:12 GMT (UK) »
Might be worth finding where in Monaghan they were from first.
Patrick was born 1936 so his parents marriage should be on Irish Genealogy, it would most likely have taken place in the brides church, fingers crossed this was also the grooms home place. Cemetaries in that area might yield something.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

Not sure how suicides were treated in the 60s, not very well I would think, but he must of had a funeral, a church in the Bray area or in Monaghan could have him in their burial register.

Keep in mind his name might never have been put on a headstone, people often didn't have the money at the time and the younger generation simply never get around to doing it.
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Re: Death late 1950's/early 60's
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 19 December 17 20:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi sinann,

Thank you for this info I really appreciate all your help. I am so new to this.

I had considered him having an unmarked grave and this might be why it is so hard to locate..

I know they were from Clones. I found the marriage certificate for his parents but can not find his fathers death certificate. I have his mothers.

I will check out the church records and hope they have something.

Just what some closure for my Gran x

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Re: Death late 1950's/early 60's
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 19 December 17 22:45 GMT (UK) »
Wish we could do more.
I just realised when I was looking before I didn't know he was born in Monaghan, so hadn't looked there.
There are two results on this site for Finnegan, maybe one of the names will be fimilar
An Edwin from Clones Road in COI St.Patrick's Coolshanagh, quite recent 2008.
and in Drumsnat Henry and wife Martha Anne from Smithsborough and their son Maurice.
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/#gsc.tab=0
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Re: Death late 1950's/early 60's
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 20 December 17 11:45 GMT (UK) »
If you look at the death notice the inquest returned a verdict of "self-drowning" or suicide.
Suicide was only decriminalised in Ireland in 1993 and was seen by the Catholic Church as a mortal sin. If he was a Catholic there is a possibility that he was not buried in "consecrated ground" or a Catholic cemetery.

As previously mentioned I would contact the coroner's office for more information.

Also as you know where he was from originally (Monaghan), if he was a catholic contact the church where he was baptised.  He may have required a letter of freedom to marry especially if he was in England and his marriage could be recorded with his baptism.
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