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Re: Careys of Rathkeale 1880s
« Reply #27 on: Monday 06 November 17 23:19 GMT (UK) »
The priest on the marriage, Bernard Carey, a relation, there is a priest in Blackrock Dublin 1901 born Limerick
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Blackrock/Cross_Avenue/1313370/

Limerick Obit
James Carey 6/4/1905 father of Rev. B Carey Rockwell
http://www.limerickcity.ie/Library/LocalStudies/ObituariesdeathnoticesetcfromTheLimerickChronicle/Alphabeticallistingsofobituariesdeathnoticesetc/c.pdf

Her brother, I don't have a Bernard on my list
it would explain getting married in Rockwell

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« Reply #28 on: Monday 06 November 17 23:51 GMT (UK) »
Are you sure the McGuinness' were from Dublin?

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« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 07 November 17 00:15 GMT (UK) »
The priest on the marriage, Bernard Carey, a relation, there is a priest in Blackrock Dublin 1901 born Limerick
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Blackrock/Cross_Avenue/1313370/

Limerick Obit
James Carey 6/4/1905 father of Rev. B Carey Rockwell
http://www.limerickcity.ie/Library/LocalStudies/ObituariesdeathnoticesetcfromTheLimerickChronicle/Alphabeticallistingsofobituariesdeathnoticesetc/c.pdf
Her brother, I don't have a Bernard on my list
it would explain getting married in Rockwell
What a conundrum.
Everything James and Margaret, mentions William and Eileen.
James will has William and Eileen, but no Bernard.
The death notices have Margaret and James as father of Bernard with no mention of the other two.
Are you sure the McGuinness' were from Dublin?
Sinann, at this point, I am sure only that I am breathing.
In the absence of any references to Richard, I was going by this, which was my first stab at any of the research.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Clontarf_West/Crescent_Place/1270018/

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« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 07 November 17 00:47 GMT (UK) »
OK, let's see if this scent takes us to a tasty treat.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLPF-CG3

I was right about Dublin and wrong about much of the rest, including RJAs age. Looks like he was born 1876 or 7 no '79.

Square one!


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« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 07 November 17 00:48 GMT (UK) »
The will wasn't a will it's an Admistration which means he didn't leave a will, Bernard may not be mentioned because he is a priest.
The obit record is only a note about it, we don't have the full obit, priest were considered VIPs so no surprise his name got into the note.

A labourer couldn't afford to send his son to Blackrock College.

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« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 07 November 17 01:09 GMT (UK) »
OK, let's see if this scent takes us to a tasty treat.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLPF-CG3

I was right about Dublin and wrong about much of the rest, including RJAs age. Looks like he was born 1876 or 7 no '79.

Square one!

I've looked at a lot of births for him and possible sister Kate, witness on marriage but no luck so far.
Too late now, tomorrow.
It is progress though.

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« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 07 November 17 02:03 GMT (UK) »
So now I have gone full circle.
I was always of the belief that Richard J A McGuinness and Eileen Carey were from Limerick and Cork. I just wasn't sure of the who-where.
Now I find this: https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/c3425d0114480?b=https%3A%2F%2Fchurchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fsearch.jsp%3Fnamefm%3DRobert%26namel%3DMcGuinness%26location%3D%26yyfrom%3D%26yyto%3D%26submit%3DSearch

I searched Robert McGuinness. Didn't find him but the baptism of RJA in Cork popped up. Twice. Once Nov 1886 and again Jan 1887.
Also looks like Robert Allison McGuinness died in Kilmallock in 1884 at age 38.
The irishgenealogy.ie also show Robert and Catherine Keenan getting married in Cork, 1875.

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« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 07 November 17 07:41 GMT (UK) »
Excellent, great find.
Registered late so fibbed about his date of birth.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03016/2105204.pdf
Robert is a Publican.

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« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 07 November 17 14:08 GMT (UK) »
What I have taken away from all this is until we see an actual written book entry, all is guess work. So many folks with the same name and variations of the names. Katherine, Kate, Catherine.

Going down the path of Dublin with Richard J A was an easy stumble because, just like his death entry over here, whom ever spoke to the officials (my father likely) would have simply said Dublin when asked where RJA was born.

I think I can now be more certain it began in Cork. The middle names is a clue to that. Robert Allison, Richard John Allison and my father Patrick John Allison.  So unless I'm convinced otherwise, I'll go with 20 Georges Street Cork. But, why no Georges St on Google Maps?

I'm curious though, how Robert died at 38 in Kilmallok.

The Careys is an ongoing mystery, I guess, but the constant recurrence of James, Margaret and "shopkeeper" has to be meaningful.