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Re: Hambridge walker and Thompson canal people.
« Reply #126 on: Saturday 11 January 20 19:06 GMT (UK) »
Elizabeth Ladds born wheeler born Oxfordshire 1834 unknown death year but married to Joseph ladds in Banbury in 1854 Joseph was born 1833 in Northamptonshire and unknown death year

So I would like to point out I have no idea who are Elizabeth ladds born wheeler mother and father was and her husband Joseph ladds mother and father was.

Marriage give their fathers name

Elizabeth Wheeler 20 , Cherwell Street, father James occ Smith
Marriage 4 Feb 1854 Banbury South, Christchurch, Oxfordshire
Spouse:   Joseph Ladds 21 occ  Smith, Cherwell Street, father Samuel occ Smith
John Lines & James Page are witnesses

1841 c

Piece:   817 Folio:   36 Page Number:   24

Samuel Ladds   30 occ whitesmith
Charlotte Ladds   30
Samuel Ladds   10
Joseph Ladds   9
John Ladds   5
George Ladds   2

George Ladds mmn SKELLET
Jun 1839  Registration Northamptonshire
Volume:   15 Page:   363

There’s this 1851 census

Piece:   1734 Folio:   424 Page Number:   11

James Wheeler   55 Wid. Blacksmith
Elizabeth Wheeler   dau 17
Emily Wheeler   dau 15
Louisa Wheeler   dau 13
Elizabeth Fox   95

And 1841

Piece:   873 Folio:   26 Page Number:  15
Broad Street
James Wheeler 35 blacksmith
Charlotte 40
Mary 15
Richard 13
Sarah 9
Elizabeth 7
Emely 5
Lucy 2 her name is LUIZA

Not sure if this is Lucy’s birth entry
 (edit don’t think this is the Lucy from 1841c or birth entry below as there’s a birth entry Ann bn1838 mmn Frewin)

Lucy Hutchins WHEELER mmn   FREWIN 
1839  M Quarter in ABINGDON UNION  Volume 06  Page 120


There is this christening but can’t find corresponding birth to confirm mmn

Amelia Louisa Wheeler Baptism 10 May 1840 Banbury, St Mary, Oxfordshire
Father:   James Wheeler occ blacksmith Mother: Charlotte Abode Broad Street

Edit - this could be Amelia Louisa’s birth entry (Louisa on 1851 census)

WHEELER, AMELIA       mmn WARD 
1838  S Quarter in BANBURY UNION  Volume 16  Page 6




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Re: Hambridge walker and Thompson canal people.
« Reply #127 on: Sunday 17 May 20 22:41 BST (UK) »
Emily Walker/Morris remarried as a widow in 1910 in Northants to William Harry Stratfull. She gives her father as James Walker deceased occ Boatman. The Stratfull family are in the 1911 census including Lilian Mary (Lily) and Blanche Elizabeth ( the baby from 1901). She was born around 1862 in Brinklow. They are living at Buckby Wharf.
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hi can I ask who was Emily first husband and did they have kids together and what was her mother's name.




George Herbert Walker was baptised in 1886 in Brinklow, Warwickshire. This provides the information that his mother was Emily Walker, a single woman. No father is named.
1881 census for Brinklow has an Emily Walker age 18, daughter of James and Mary Ann Walker. She is likely to be the mother of George Herbert Walker.
In 1891 George  is living in Stockton, Warwickshire with his mother Emily and a sister called Rose ( born as Rose Morris with mmn Walker in Brinklow in  1888). Emily, George and Rose all have the surname Morris and Emily indicates that she is married, but her husband is not present.
In 1901 Emily ( still using the name Morris and claiming to be married) is living in Brinklow. Rose and George are not with her but she has three other children - Charles age 6, Lily age 1 and an unnamed infant. The births of all these children are registered as Morris with mmn Walker. No husband is present.
There is no record of a marriage between Emily and someone called Morris and it is likely they were never married. The only clue to the name of Mr Morris comes from the 1910 marriage certificate of daughter Rose, which names her father as Charles Morris, Boatman ( deceased).
Emily married in 1910 in Northants to William Harry Stratfull. She calls herself a widow and married under the name Morris. She gives her father as James Walker,  Boatman (deceased) The family are at Buckby Wharf, Northants in the 1911 census. William Harry and Emily have surname Stratfull ( married one year) There are four Morris children living with them - Lilian Mary (Lily) and Blanche Elizabeth ( the baby from 1901) plus Ethel born 1903 and Leonard born 1905. The latter two children are also recorded as surname Morris mmn Walker.
So to summarise, Emily Walker appears to have had seven children
George Herbert Walker (father unknown)
Rose ( father Charles Morris)
Charles ( father probably Charles Morris)
Lilian Mary (Lily)( father probably Charles Morris)
Blanche Elizabeth ( father probably Charles Morris)
Ethel ( father probably Charles Morris)
Leonard ( father probably Charles Morris)
It appears unlikely that Emily was actually ever married to Charles Morris.


Isobel
please help me with this information I found someone on Ancestry who appears to have the above names on there family tree apart from my great grandfather George Herbert walker but anyway they had there down  father down as Charles Morris so I would like to check if I have the right Charles Morris year of birth 1852 who was born in Canning Town, Essex, England who had the above children with Emily Ann walker. Thank you l

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Re: Hambridge walker and Thompson canal people.
« Reply #128 on: Monday 18 May 20 11:18 BST (UK) »
New thread-

Hi can you please help me.
I'm looking for a match for charles Morris who was born 1852 in Canning Town Essex. He had one son and three daughters and he's then partner Emily Ann walker the mother of he's children took on he's surname but there's no marriage. He may of had a step son called George Herbert walker. I'm looking for name of charles Morris mother and father.
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!


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Re: Hambridge walker and Thompson canal people.
« Reply #129 on: Monday 18 May 20 13:48 BST (UK) »
Admit to not reading all of this, BUT have found the following

Charles James Morris mother's maiden name Marsh
1851 Sept qtr
West Ham
ref 12 309

1871 there is a James Morris as grandson of Marsh family Canning Town

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Re: Hambridge walker and Thompson canal people.
« Reply #131 on: Monday 18 May 20 21:46 BST (UK) »
Hopefully solved (almost) on new thread if Kirsty agrees.
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Re: Hambridge walker and Thompson canal people.
« Reply #132 on: Wednesday 03 June 20 13:12 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone

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Re: Hambridge walker and Thompson canal people.
« Reply #133 on: Wednesday 03 June 20 13:24 BST (UK) »
So what do you think, Kirsty?
Are you ok with the information re Charles now?
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