Tracing a family member

[hamali]

Hi there , Can anybody help Im trying to trace a William Rowland Hale B 1886. all the info I have is that in 1920 in Camberwell he marries  Mary Frances Burns. I have found them in the 1939 census & he is down as a road sweeper, but I cant seem to trace him in 1911 or before that.

Also stuck on Mary Frances Burns as well all the info I have on her is her 1st marriage to William G Ware in 1911 then her 2nd marriage to William Rowland Hale & all the children she had from both marriages so would also love to go bk on her.

Thanks for any help at all

 

[Lostris]

If you have the 1920 Marriage Cert, please quote from it:-

His Age would seem to be [1920-1886] - his Birth is registered in the St Olave District ...

His Father's name & Occupation ...

His abode and that of the Bride ...

[lizdb]

Likewise for her from either marriage cert - father's name etc

[hamali]

Hi there I have not got there marriage cert this info is from my Nan's birth cert & her marraige cert

[lizdb]

Here is Mary Frances's first marriage - so now you have her fathers name!

24 Dec 1911
St John the Divine Kennington
William George Ware 23 widower horsekeeper of 55 Sultan Street father Henry Ware, horsekeeper
to
Mary Frances Burns 24 spinster of 55 Sultan Street , father Sidney Burns, bottle sorter

Both signed
Witnesses: E Budd?  and P Shaw?  (neither very easy to read)

[hamali]

Thank you for that she never moved very far as when she had my nan the address is 49 Sultan Street

[lizdb]

I think she may have started life as Mary Frances Ludlow

1901
17 Alsace Street Walworth
Sidney Burns 32 bottle porter bn Camberwell
Ann F 33 Newington
MAry F Ludlow 12 dtr  bn Peckham
Sarah A Burns 8 dtr
George H Burns 5 son
Mary V Burns dtr 8 mths

[hamali]

Thank you for that I will look into this further 

[lizdb]

She can be seen in earlier (and later) censuses easily enough - I think she was born before the marriage and mum was maiden name Ludlow.

As for William Rowland HAle -

Christening
St MAry Southwark
2 Feb 1886
William Rowland Hale parents William and Sarah of 22 Fendall Street, labourer