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Re: William Holmes birth in Ireland 1844 or 1850
« Reply #9 on: Friday 08 December 17 15:23 GMT (UK) »
It would have made all the difference if you gave that information in thr first post.
That fits with Sarah the Coachman's wife. Her husband was Robert, I think I saw something else for that couple, I'd have to look again.


Looking over the thread I think heywood has posted everything I saw on that couple.

Snap heywood, we must have been typing at the same time.

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Re: William Holmes birth in Ireland 1844 or 1850
« Reply #10 on: Friday 08 December 17 15:37 GMT (UK) »
Hello Heywood,  Sinann
My apologies Ii never thought to include the father's occupations etc.   

I've checked many times and not got the answers.

I started looking into this when one could search a sort of pilot set up a number of years ago - it was free.  I found a lot of interesting stuff but it did not correlate to what family say, which sadly often is not correct.

I found the Harriet Ann Holmes and Mark Gilbert but could not connect it. I have kept the information. Thinking on the sister lines?
I had no other info re them.  I suspected that the family info was out by a generation or even wrong so started looking for William's birth.

With Sarah Holmes as Grandmother to the two births, it makes a lot more sense. 

The only piece of information on Sarah Holmes was a death in Clogheen 1891. So I kept that.

If Sarah Holmes is the grandmother of William  and Robert Frederick  I still need to get those birth Certs.  and I need that Sarah's maiden name.


PROGRESS  I believe    thankyou.

Essnell

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Re: William Holmes birth in Ireland 1844 or 1850
« Reply #11 on: Friday 08 December 17 15:47 GMT (UK) »
 
 :) good luck and hope we have helped. The births are online at IRish Genealogy as are the deaths of Robert and Sarah.
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Re: William Holmes birth in Ireland 1844 or 1850
« Reply #12 on: Friday 08 December 17 16:22 GMT (UK) »
If Sarah Holmes is the grandmother of William  and Robert Frederick  I still need to get those birth Certs.  and I need that Sarah's maiden name.

You mention she is Sarah Litchfield - where is that information from?
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Re: William Holmes birth in Ireland 1844 or 1850
« Reply #13 on: Friday 08 December 17 16:38 GMT (UK) »
There is this marriage -have you checked it?

1st January 1831 St George Hanover Square, Westminster, England
Robert Holmes and Sarah Litchfield

Witnesses Charles Holmes and Martha Holmes
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Re: William Holmes birth in Ireland 1844 or 1850
« Reply #14 on: Friday 08 December 17 17:08 GMT (UK) »
There are a couple of baptisms at Paddington Green St Mary’s

Ann Moria (Maria) Holmes 21st March 1832 Parents Robert,Cabriolet Driver and Sarah

Harriet Ann 3rd January 1836 (born in 1835) Robert , Cabriolet Proprietor and Sarah.

Both show address as Frederick Mews Paddington

I don’t know if it is your family but Harriet’s birth fits with the age at death of Harriet Gilbert.
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Re: William Holmes birth in Ireland 1844 or 1850
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 09 December 17 05:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi Heywood,

My reaction to your last post was --- good Grief! ----     

  Oh dear   - I believe Robert came over from Ireland at some point. Not sure where Sarah came from.

Per that record and I have kept it "in case".  I couldn't fit it to William.  Still unsure about that.

At that point, to me that didn't gel, given that William is said to be born in Ireland.   

It looks like they married in London.  But there seem to be several Robert Holmes and Several Sarah Litchfield.

The family you have found is a possible. Looks like they had two children in England then went back to Ireland where William was born. I have just heard about one called Robert Frederick. 

Before anything I need to look further at a few things.    I'll try to get some shipping movements of the family.  See If i can find out when they went either way and or IF.

thanks so much you have been very helpful - you people amaze me at what you find.

Cheers Essnell


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Re: William Holmes birth in Ireland 1844 or 1850
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 09 December 17 09:24 GMT (UK) »
A couple of points
“several Robert Holmes and Sarah Litchfields” you write, but did they all marry each other?
If you know Sarah was a Litchfield then it is worth considering.

William may have been born in Ireland but it doesn’t mean that he was of Irish origins.

Ireland was under British rule then so there were no records of movement. Occupations connected with large houses and estates would be an attraction and some land holders would have houses in both Ireland and England.

I notice a message posted elsewhere re your family which says that ‘Robert was a vet according to William’s death certificate’ and that he leased land at Shanbally Castle from Viscount Lismore shown in Griffiths Valuation.
The O’ Callaghan family (Lismore) were Irish though from what I read.

It is just worth noting as there are similarities in names and occupation.

There seem to be other BMDs for Holmes in the area so it may be that the Holmes family were long time residents  :-\
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Re: William Holmes birth in Ireland 1844 or 1850
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 09 December 17 09:33 GMT (UK) »
You mention a child Robert Frederick.

Is this a different one to the child of Harriet Ann Holmes and Mark Gilbert?
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