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Re: elias evans born c.1844
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 20 January 19 06:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dee, really interested in your post as trying to find out more about Ellen Roberts who is my grandmother, the info I have is that Ellen went on to marry  Thomas Jones a hawker and cutler, they had three daughters one of which is my mother Elizabeth, now sadly passed away.  Ellen left Thomas not sure the reason why and went on to marry an Edward Ayres and they had a daughter known as Phoebe Ayres, have we a shared grandmother or am I on the completely wrong track!!!

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Re: elias evans born c.1844
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 20 January 19 10:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I am looking for more information on Elias Evans. I have found the family on the 1891 census living at Llandefalle in a wagon and Elias being described as a Hawker, with his wife Isabella aged 49 born Oswestry .There were 8 children living with the parents. For the daughter Jane the 1891 census gives the age as 10 born Shrewsbury so maybe in 1881 the family may been in the Shrewsbury area ?  Any help would be appreciated, many thanks.


In 1897 they were in Whitchurch, Salop, Shropshire

"Isabella Evans, hawker, Whitchurch, Salop, was charged by P.C. Griffiths with allowing four horses to stray on the highway. Complainant aaid that about 12.30 on the morning of March 26th, when on duty on the Aberayron road, he saw four horses grazing. They were defendant's animals. Elias Evans said the horses were tied to the van at night"
(The Aberystwith Observer, 8th   April   1897)


Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: elias evans born c.1844
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 20 January 19 11:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi Richard, I want to get exited but until I hear more I must keep calm, if we are talking of the same Ellen Roberts then it would mean we share a grandmother, I have been searching for so many years & have just hit brick walls.
Have you evidence of a marriage certificate for Ellen & Thomas Jones or Edward Ayres as if it states her parents to be William Roberts & Mercy Roberts then we are talking of the same person, until I know that I wont waffle on as mine is rather a sad story, I have only just joined this site by purely just putting a name in the search box one I've done so many times. I have a lot of info on the Roberts family but have so so wished to know about Ellen.

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« Reply #21 on: Sunday 20 January 19 13:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dee, my Ellen Roberts married Thomas Jones a hawker/cutller in 1925 in St Austell Cornwall and on her marriage certificate her father is named as William Roberts occupation cutler deceased, it actually does not have her mother's name on it.  I haven't applied for the marriage certificate for Ellen and Edward Ayres as I know that they were together, they married 1932 Aldershot Hampshire, the reason that I know this as I have information from the archives of Nazareth House as Ellen had placed two of the girls (one of them my mother) into care in Nazareth House Portsmouth in Aug 1932 just before she married Edward Ayres, she was a flower seller in Portsmouth and was picked up by the police as she was homeless with the two girls, hence the girls being put into care.  The other daughter was placed in Cardiff Union workhouse in 1929 and then was was moved to Ely childrens home in 1930 and sadly passed away in the City Lodge hospital in 1933. Sadly my Ellen passed away 1939 Aldershot aged 40.  Edward Ayres was a gypsy born in Farnham Surrey in 1900. Do you think we talking about the same Ellen? By the way my name is Veronica, Richard xii is a user name, take care and hope to hear from you soon.

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« Reply #22 on: Sunday 20 January 19 22:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi Veronica, I so want your Ellen to be my Ellen, but I'm just not sure, its because of the area your talking of its such a long way from her roots of Shropshire,  but the lifestyle is like my Ellen. I will check out some dates tomorrow in my mountain of paper work.
What I can tell you is my Ellen Roberts was born 11/11/1900 in Whitchurch Shropshire to Parents William & Mercy Roberts (I have also come across MERCY being named Elizabeth & Bessie) Mercy was a Riva before marriage. You know the part about the death of William & Mercy going off with William Evans & they had a son Alfred & they lived in the Market Drayton area of Shropshire I do know a bit about Alfred.
I can tell you my Ellen gave birth to my mother in the Burton on Trent workhouse in 1922 & named her Adeline Persal Roberts no fathers name..when she left the workhouse she had her baby with her even though she was of no fix abode.
In 1924 she gave birth to another daughter in the Wellington workhouse in Shropshire & named her Doris Mary Roberts no fathers name.
Ellen was a hawker, now in 1926 (I will check this) it was decided by the board of governors at the Whitchurch workhouse they would take over the welfare of the 2 little girls & that's where my story on Ellen ends.
There are a lot of areas in your story. I always hoped my Ellens life would get better & hoped she married & had more children in hope there would be grand children to tell me about her and possibly see a photo of her. I'm not sure where we go from here ,  I wish the experts would take on my story. It would be good to hear your thoughts, I'm Doreen by the way.

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« Reply #23 on: Monday 21 January 19 12:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi Doreen, yes it would be great if our grandmother Ellen matched up.  The reason I latched onto the Ellen from Shropshire is that she is the only Ellen I could find born c1900 with a father who was a William Roberts with the occupation of a cutler and of gypsy heritage.  If you find information relating to Ellen re 1926 and she is still in the Shropshire area then it's not my Ellen as she was at that time giving birth to my mother Elizabeth in Cornwall also the second sister Rose Jane was also born in Cornwall and the third sister Millicent was born in Cardiff.  I did find it a bit puzzling though as to Elizabeth/Mercy Riva marrying a traveller as from what I can see the Rivas weren't of gypsy stock am I correct? However these things do happen and I concluded that it why she changed her name from Mercy to Elizabeth so the Riva family couldn't track her down,  I know I shouldn't surmise as that is a dangerous route to go down! I only have the definite/factual information from 1925 (marriage to Thomas Jones) to Ellen's death in 1939 Aldershot with the name Ellen Ayres, but like you desperate to find out more about Ellen. Bye for now Veronica