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In Search Of a Lost Great Uncle
« on: Sunday 10 December 17 13:58 GMT (UK) »
Hello,
Are there electoral rolls in Ireland either North or South, as a great uncle Charles Webb and his wife Elizabeth, moved across the water from Brierley West Yorkshire, to either run or work on a farm. Charles was from a traditional mining family and Elizabeth's parents were farmers.
I can find no trace of them on Ancestry.co etc. I do know that a cousin twice removed visited them in the 1950/60's. The farm was located near or on the border. 
Charles & Elizabeth were married in 1924.
Any form of help would be appreciated.
Regards
M C webb

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Re: In Search Of a Lost Great Uncle
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 10 December 17 14:46 GMT (UK) »
No need to keep starting new topics- you can always add more details to an existing one. In this case you have more information on other topics looking for this couple-
"Charles Born 1907, Elizabeth Born 1905, both Yorkshire"
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=743693
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=743602

No electoral rolls for Northern Ireland online for that period.

Can't see any deaths for them in Republic of Ireland (database up to 1965)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

For Northern Ireland GRONI's database has deaths 50+ years old-
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: In Search Of a Lost Great Uncle
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 14 December 17 10:20 GMT (UK) »
The forename / surname combination wouldn't be plentiful in Ireland, so just to note as a possibility that the Northern Whig of October 1953 carried a story mentioning a Charles Webb (about the trespass of a ferret of all things), the address given for him was Tullydonnell, Crossmaglen.

With the usual health warning about online accuracy, the following link shows land in the name of Charles Webb in Glasdrumman, south Armagh, in 1957 and 1974:
http://www.fuls.org.uk/cregganhistory/timelineglassdrummond.htm

The following link shows a Charles Webb as a householder in Tullydonnell O'Callaghan (note the location detail in the link) in 1935, 1957 and 1970:
http://timeline-creggan.tripod.com/timelinetullydonnellocal.htm

More on Tullydonnell O'Callaghan:
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/fews-upper/creggan/tullydonnell-ocallaghan/
https://www.logainm.ie/en/56377
http://www.placenamesni.org/resultdetails.php?entry=14228


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Re: In Search Of a Lost Great Uncle
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 14 December 17 10:36 GMT (UK) »
Dublin electoral roll links.
the Electoral rolls for 1939-1964 have been taken offline , only available to view on computer terminal at Pearse St. research library

Hello,
Are there electoral rolls in Ireland either North or South,

http://databases.dublincity.ie/advanced.php
Corri, Holland,
Newman, Kiernan,
Lyons, Murphy


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Re: In Search Of a Lost Great Uncle
« Reply #4 on: Friday 15 December 17 11:14 GMT (UK) »

Dublin electoral roll links.
the Electoral rolls for 1939-1964 have been taken offline , only available to view on computer terminal at Pearse St. research library

Hello,
Are there electoral rolls in Ireland either North or South,

http://databases.dublincity.ie/advanced.php


The OP's request was in the context of seeking someone on a farm that 'was located near or on the border' -  I too am not aware of electoral rolls available online to cover that location.

Given what I've posted at reply #2, it would do no harm to contact the Creggan History Society (details at the link below) with your query.  Parts of their website are not set up or are out of date, however there was an update as recently as June 2017, so you may get a response.  On the same website I also noticed a group photograph containing a Webb child who may be relevant.  At the very least, contact with the Society might help rule these Webbs out, incomers from Yorkshire to this close-knit area should have stood out...

http://www.fuls.org.uk/cregganhistory/index.htm


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Re: In Search Of a Lost Great Uncle
« Reply #5 on: Friday 15 December 17 13:44 GMT (UK) »
Dear Gaffy.

Thank you very much for your help in this matter i will certainly investigate the links.
You are very kind.
There was mention of Charles being in trouble with the locals regarding smugglers crossing his land, and possibly more due to the troubles in the County. As you say outsiders would have stood out especially at that time.
I do wonder if the farm had something to do with Elizabeth's farming family and background.
Ah well the search goes on.
I do have a photograph of 2nd Cousin Gerald standing outside the front door of the farm or house.
Alas no information with it.

Regards
Martyn


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Re: In Search Of a Lost Great Uncle
« Reply #6 on: Friday 15 December 17 14:12 GMT (UK) »
Dear Gaffy

Having just checked out the school photo, you mentioned.
Charles lost his brother Thomas in WW1. could it be possible i wonder???

Regards
Martyn

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Re: In Search Of a Lost Great Uncle
« Reply #7 on: Friday 15 December 17 15:47 GMT (UK) »

Dear Gaffy

Having just checked out the school photo, you mentioned.
Charles lost his brother Thomas in WW1. could it be possible i wonder???

Regards
Martyn


As a naming pattern, possibly. 



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Re: In Search Of a Lost Great Uncle
« Reply #8 on: Friday 15 December 17 16:12 GMT (UK) »

...There was mention of Charles being in trouble with the locals regarding smugglers crossing his land, and possibly more due to the troubles in the County ...


Indeed, smuggling went on along the length of the border, but the Donegal/Derry area and the Armagh/Louth area (where the Charles Webb of Tullydonnell O'Callaghan / Glasdrumman was) would have been key routes in the northwest and east respectively, so the family lore would fit to that extent.  Many of a certain age in Ireland will immediately recognise stories (and certainly not apocryphal stories) of farmers driving cattle across border rivers and women hiding butter in their underwear when crossing from one jurisdiction to the other.   :)