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Deciphering WW2 Service Record
« on: Monday 11 December 17 20:53 GMT (UK) »
There are a couple of items on a WW2 service record I need help with.

The first is written in the record:
"Receives pay of appointment wef 30-12-40 Vice Molyneux to Y List"
What would the Vice Molyneux to Y List mean?

The second is written in the record:
"Posted to 52nd Training Regt RAC on 6-10-42
Authority: Hofor 'A' T.P.M.  A.5058
2-10-42"

I understand that Hofor = Home Forces, but what does the 'A' T.P.M.  A.5058 mean?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Deciphering WW2 Service Record
« Reply #1 on: Monday 11 December 17 21:37 GMT (UK) »
The first part means that he took the job of someone called Molyneux who had been placed on the Y List meaning he (Molyneux) has been posted away from the regular run of jobs for one of a number of reasons (most common were long term sick, transfer to another corps or job outside the regiment).  Vice someone means replacing someone.

The second is undoubtedly the office reference on a letter dated 2 Oct 42 that provided the authority for the move.  It is really of no significance.

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Re: Deciphering WW2 Service Record
« Reply #2 on: Monday 11 December 17 21:45 GMT (UK) »
What would the Vice Molyneux to Y List mean?

Molyneux is the name of the person(officer?) who has been placed on the Y list, so Vice Molyneux infers a vacancy has been created which has been filled by the holder of the service record you are looking at.

The Y List consisted of non-effectives:   sick, detention, leave pending discharge etc
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Re: Deciphering WW2 Service Record
« Reply #3 on: Monday 11 December 17 21:56 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks MaxD and tonepad, that's a great help.

Another point is 52nd Training Regiment RAC were at Bovington in October 42.
they 'Proceeded to Port of Embarkation to Join Draft Serial R W O G A'  Is RWOGA the name of a place or an acronym?  It then states 'Embarked UK & *TOS'  The letter before the 'T' looks like an 'E' but the letter may have been moved up on a stamp and should not be there at all.  I'm not sure.

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« Reply #4 on: Monday 11 December 17 21:56 GMT (UK) »
By the way, he disembarked in Egypt.

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« Reply #5 on: Monday 11 December 17 22:20 GMT (UK) »
Drafts (bodies of men moving abroad) were given 5 letter draft recognition codes, meaningless except at the time.  There is a way of possibly identifying which ship the draft took (in his case) to Egypt. Do you have his date of departure from UK and/or arrival in Egypt?

Embarked UK  = left UK [on the ship whatever_].

TOS - Taken on strength =- there should then be a unit or a force and a date which he joined (which he was taken on to the strength of) . Look for MEF or BNAF - Oct 42 was slap between the two (Middle East Force and British North Africa Force).  Look out for disembarked,

Often best solved by posting a scan of the original.

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« Reply #6 on: Monday 11 December 17 22:43 GMT (UK) »
He was at Bovington up until 25 October 1942.  Doesn't appear to have a date of embarkation but disembarks in Egypt 2 January 1943.  I would have thought the embarkation must have been some time after October 42 as it wouldn't take that long to get to Egypt.

It then states that he is in the Middle East and is Posted to 3rd County of London Yeomanry from XIVA on 12 January 1943.

I'll try looking for arrivals in Egypt on that date.

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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 12 December 17 09:31 GMT (UK) »
It looks as if there may have been a period away from his normal unit prior to posting to 3rd CLY.  The X iv (a) (usual way of writing it) is another of these list accounting methods covering men moving from a depot or a training unit or sometimes from a spell in hospital.

You may have this already but you could dovetail him into the history of 3 CLY here http://www.warlinks.com/armour/3_cly/3cly_42.php

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Re: Deciphering WW2 Service Record
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 12 December 17 16:14 GMT (UK) »
From the information you have it looks likely that the soldier in question (I didn't note a name) sailed on convoy WS24 which sailed from UK on 29th October and reached Suez via Bahia in Brazil and Durban in South Africa on various dates in January.  One vessel from this convoy, The "Felix Roussel" left Aden on 28 December 1942 and docked in Suez on 2 January 1943.  I have more information on the movements of this convoy if it is of interest.  It a coincidence for me that this convoy included SS Aronda, the same vessel my father sailed in in April 1941 for Suez in convoy WS8A.

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