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Re: Off topic - Fat Rascals history
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 12 December 17 12:50 GMT (UK) »
Just bookmarking - fascinating topic & just shows how big business can make you assume they invented things. I don't think a company should be able to trademark something that wasn't theirs exclusively.
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« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 12 December 17 12:57 GMT (UK) »
Found another recipe, from a Yorkshire paper: BNArchive, as always.

Bradford Daily Telegraph - Tuesday 20 August 1901

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« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 12 December 17 13:11 GMT (UK) »
1951 - clearly a normal part of home baking; the show had a whole judging class for Fat Rascals, with 11 entries.

Yorkshire Evening Post - Friday 24 August 1951 BNArchive

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« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 12 December 17 13:18 GMT (UK) »
Next question - what is 'cottage pastry'  ???
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON


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« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 13 December 17 16:26 GMT (UK) »
Sort of historical; this was a Recipe from a book Edith Roosevelt had; bit of a daisy chain:

I got my version of the recipe from the Food Timeline, which was republished from The Presidents' Cookbook. According to that cook book, this recipe comes from a book owned by Edith Roosevelt.


http://apeekintothepantry.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/samantha-makes-roosevelts-fat-rascals.html

The recipe is unlike the modern "Bettys-a-like" on the 'net, and much more like the ones I've been finding in the BNA:

Here it is, in American:
I took two cups of flour, 1/2 teaspoon of salt, 1/8 cup of sugar, and two teaspoons of baking powder, sifted them together, and cut in 3/4 of a cup of butter until the mixture was grainy. I stirred in 1/2 pound of dried currants, made sure they were well incorporated in the flour and butter mixture, and then gradually added 1/2 of a cup of milk until I had a dough
... They bake in a 450 degree oven for about twelve minutes according to the recipe


In old English
I took 9oz of s/r flour, 1/2 teaspoon of salt, 1oz of sugar, sifted them together, and cut in 6oz of butter until the mixture was grainy. I stirred in 8 oz of dried currants, made sure they were well incorporated in the flour and butter mixture, and then gradually added 4oz of milk until I had a dough
... They bake in a hot oven for about twelve minutes according to the recipe


In modern:
I took 255gr of s/r flour, 1/2 teaspoon of salt, 30gr of sugar, sifted them together, and cut in 170gr of butter until the mixture was grainy. I stirred in 225gr of dried currants, made sure they were well incorporated in the flour and butter mixture, and then gradually added 115ml of milk until I had a dough
... They bake in a 230°C oven for about twelve minutes according to the recipe


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« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 13 December 17 22:32 GMT (UK) »
I'm East Yorkshire born & bred and until very recently had never heard of a "fat rascal"

Me too....you learn something new every day on here :D
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« Reply #15 on: Monday 18 December 17 15:19 GMT (UK) »
This from the BNArchive:  Yorkshire Post and Leeds Intelligencer - Tuesday 18 January 1944
(15 years ago would be 1929). Anyone got this wonderful WI recipe book?

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Leeds Mercury - Friday 04 November 1927; the first edition of the WI book.

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« Reply #16 on: Monday 18 December 17 15:53 GMT (UK) »
Our local coop(Holmfirth) has got round the copyright by calling the biscuits 'Yorkshire rascals'.
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Off topic - Fat Rascals history
« Reply #17 on: Friday 22 December 17 09:25 GMT (UK) »
Our local coop(Holmfirth) has got round the copyright by calling the biscuits 'Yorkshire rascals'.

The Whitby restaurant in the recent court case ended up with "Whitby Fatties".

Following my research, I can assert that a Whitby recipe is likely to be more original than a Harrogate one...

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