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Re: Berkshire Will
« Reply #54 on: Tuesday 26 December 17 14:39 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Berkshire Will
« Reply #55 on: Tuesday 26 December 17 15:10 GMT (UK) »
The Latin probate clause (showing at the end of extract 6) translates as ...

This above-written will of Walter Ildeslie, deceased, was proved before William Mar(...), Master of Arts, the lawfully constituted surrogate of the Worshipful Henry Marten, Doctor of Laws, Official of the Archdeaconry of Berks, at Reading on the ninth day of February in the Year of the Lord 1610 etc.;* administration was granted to the executor named in this will, both for the truth of the aforesaid will and to well and faithfully bring the same to completion; sworn on the Holy Gospels of God in due form of law, saving the rights of whomsoever etc.
Inventory - 15 pounds 3 shillings 8 pence.

          * = 9 February 1611 in the modern calendar

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Re: Berkshire Will
« Reply #56 on: Tuesday 26 December 17 15:24 GMT (UK) »
Regarding Richard Pottinger in your document, an internet search return for "Burghfield, Berks" gives a book:-
Page 358, The Roll of Distinguished Wykehamists.

34. POTENGER, JOHN, B.D. (1642), of Burghfield, Berks :
fellow of New College, Aug. 13, 1620. He resigned owing to the
puritanical innovations in the school. He died in Dec. 1659.

archive.org is down currently for scheduled maintenance

Seems to be up and running click on this link ...
https://archive.org/stream/williamofwykeham00walcuoft

and search "Potenger"

See also page 418 (besides p.358)

May be related to Richard Pottinger, but Potenger links to the place in your document.

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Re: Berkshire Will
« Reply #57 on: Tuesday 26 December 17 15:48 GMT (UK) »
Page 96, the printed Calendar of Berkshire (Index), of Wills and Admins (re Reply #52):-
https://archive.org/stream/indextowillsprov23berkuoft

1610 Ildeslie, Walter, Burfield L.134

In Old English i becomes y ... so look out for Ildeslye and Ildeslyes (and ending ... ley) as well, when searching the internet.

Further down page 96, possible Surname spelling variations.

Regarding place, it looks like Burghfield may also be spelt Burfield (alias spellings)?

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Re: Berkshire Will
« Reply #58 on: Tuesday 26 December 17 18:03 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, thank you,

Feel an opportunity to wax lyrical:
The Hildesley, Ildesley, Yildesley, Ilsley people are from what is now East and West Ilsley in the Compton 100, Berkshire, UK.  It turns out the Hildesley family were recusant RC so the Pottinger connection makes sense.   Many of the Hildeslely daughters ended up in Liege.   
There was a Francis Hildesley who would have been a distant cousin of Walter but who may be the main source of our Y Chromosome matches with american families with the names Wilson and Lupton (of Leeds)?!   One of the main common denominators is Recusant families of Berkshire so Moore, Lyford possibly Arden.  (I've been able to read the attached.)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Vdc9AAAAcAAJ&pg=PA53&lpg=PA53&dq=isabella+ildesle+married+william+moore&source=bl&ots=T76CGS69dr&sig=DcmxNQ1xeXmdEL2gi4GxJwpACJk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjV2L_6p6jYAhXFIcAKHdrQDegQ6AEIMDAB#v=onepage&q=isabella%20ildesle%20married%20william%20moore&f=false

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Re: Berkshire Will
« Reply #59 on: Tuesday 26 December 17 18:55 GMT (UK) »
Still hasn't solved our mystery but very interesting.   Francis (Sir) was a bit of a one and there was some scandal about Bulmer Hall in Yorkshire.  Where, he, Francis and his side kick Marmaduke Ettys buddy John Wilson (rev) ended up in prison for being the clerk for Francis and Marmaduke in the sale of Bulmer Hall?

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Re: Berkshire Will
« Reply #60 on: Tuesday 26 December 17 19:10 GMT (UK) »
We've got William Ildesley (c.1545) married Joanne Piper in Compton c.1570 on my fathers line but we are struggling to link with the origin which we believe to be in the Hildesley family somewhere.   One of Williams daughters married a Thos Lyford of Peasemore and Stanford Dingle.

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Re: Berkshire Will
« Reply #61 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 09:11 GMT (UK) »
Still hasn't solved our mystery but very interesting.   Francis (Sir) was a bit of a one and there was some scandal about Bulmer Hall in Yorkshire.  Where, he, Francis and his side kick Marmaduke Ettys buddy John Wilson (rev) ended up in prison for being the clerk for Francis and Marmaduke in the sale of Bulmer Hall?


A Bulmer Hall & Rev John Wilson mentioned here:-

In the Howard-Vyse collection (they occupied/became owners of Langton Hall, about 3 miles South of Malton, Yorkshire)

[See also Northcliffe of Langton for predecessor of Howard-Vyse at Langton]

East Riding Record Office

Reference: DDEL/37/36

Title: Bargain and sale of lands in Langton

Description: Parties: 1) Henry Bulmer of Leavening, gentleman 2) Reverend John Wilson of Bulmer Property: capital messuage called Bulmer Hall [Newe Hall] with 5 closes called Backgarth, Pynderclose, the Holme, the Croftes, and Playne Syke; 4 oxgangs and lands called the flatts and furby lands; messuage and 4 oxgangs; all in Langton Witnesses: Henry Thompson (2 pieces), William Phillipe, Thomas Bulmer, James Simsone, and Raymond Nandyke

16 July 1609


The Heralds Office is the College of Arms


Quarter Sessions Records, Helmesley 1622
John Wilson of Bulmer juxta Welburne ... mentioned here on page 142, see [121] on p.142 ...
https://archive.org/stream/quartersessionr00atkigoog

John Wilson of Bulmer juxta Welbume, Clarke, for harbouring John Francke and his wife, Ann Holden and her three children, as inmates and undersettles; ...


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Re: Berkshire Will
« Reply #62 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 10:13 GMT (UK) »
Mark,
This is what we got:
Lots of things for sale under James including a frenzy of Knighthoods in 1603
Yes that's seems likely although it was probably more to do with the recusancy.  Vis Bulmer Hall:
" ..In 1611 (fn. 57) it was conveyed by Philip Smith and Katharine his wife to Josiah Fawether 'of Howlesworth,' who in 1613 (fn. 58) agreed to its purchase by John Wilson, clerk, trustee for the real purchasers. The sale was not, however, completed; litigation followed and in 1623–4 Wilson was in prison at the suit of Fawether. (fn. 59).."    found here
If this is the same one as here:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/d9fe61d9-bb9d-4ec2-ae24-9c09ad76d3a6
Then it wasn't so much of a Bargain on account of his old etonian/grays inn/recusant families of Berkshire buddies Marmaduke Etty and Francis Hildesley see here:
https://library.leeds.ac.uk/multimedia/imu/20189/YAS_MD237.pdf
Page 3

I think this is John https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wilson_(minister)
nb/the final bracket of above url does not seem to work so has to be manually typed in

We've contacted our American YDNA Wilson 'cousins' but generally americans do not seem pre disposed to look into the early ancestry.