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« Reply #99 on: Sunday 17 December 17 09:18 GMT (UK) »
Yes it has aghadowey-reply #62.
That article added credence to the auctioneer story re David.

Rosie I know there is difficulty with the surname and birth - Eveline could be Annie’s before marriage, if birth is as stated; she could be David’s from another relationship or she could be the child of someone completely separate.
This could also apply to her name.
However, I was just thinking she may have been registered as Eva/Eveline or Evelyn and someone may have tried to look for her.
My expectations are very high. :)
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« Reply #100 on: Sunday 17 December 17 09:20 GMT (UK) »
aghadowey - yes, we've posted the report of the accident.  And Annie married Bertram Johnson in 1921, just after David Joseph died.

 
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« Reply #101 on: Sunday 17 December 17 09:37 GMT (UK) »
Yes it has aghadowey-reply #62.
That article added credence to the auctioneer story re David.

Rosie I know there is difficulty with the surname and birth - Eveline could be Annie’s before marriage, if birth is as stated; she could be David’s from another relationship or she could be the child of someone completely separate.
This could also apply to her name.
However, I was just thinking she may have been registered as Eva/Eveline or Evelyn and someone may have tried to look for her.
My expectations are very high. :)
There are no obvious births in Aberdeen under any of the known names. Both Eva and Barrett appear to be Shulman family names so my guess is that this child was completely renamed after birth.
Re the name Eva - there was an Eva Shulman born in Canongate Edinburgh in 1897 ( the year David's mother died in Canongate) who died in Newington in 1898. I haven't checked this, but suspect she might have been a younger sister of David and that this is where the name Eva came from. As already stated, Barrett was the anglicised form of the maiden name of David's mother.
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« Reply #102 on: Sunday 17 December 17 09:38 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Isobel.
I have read and understand the surnames, I was just hoping that there may have been an O'Brien or Hill birth.
I then realised that I can search SP without credits so have done so and sadly cannot yet find a link.
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« Reply #103 on: Sunday 17 December 17 09:52 GMT (UK) »
I'm wondering who Eva Barrett 5 year old "adopted" daughter of David and Annie (1911 Census) is? 
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« Reply #104 on: Sunday 17 December 17 10:01 GMT (UK) »
I'm wondering who Eva Barrett 5 year old "adopted" daughter of David and Annie (1911 Census) is?

I think we may be wondering if she is in fact Eveline who has not been constant with her age  :-\  Supposedly born 1911.
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« Reply #105 on: Sunday 17 December 17 10:06 GMT (UK) »
Sounds more than plausible.  :)
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« Reply #106 on: Sunday 17 December 17 13:00 GMT (UK) »
Marriage in Scotland
1908 St Machar
David Joseph Schulman + Annie O'Brien

There's a marriage straight after that death of David in March qtr 1921
June 1921 Chorlton 8c 1712
Johnson, Bertram
Shulman, Annie

Lancashire BMD says Register Office or Registrar Attended
Also gives bride as Annie O'Brien

Bertram remarried as a widow on 24 Dec 1938 at Ashton under Lyne.

His marriage to Annie SHULMAN nee O'BRIEN on 16 April 1921 at the Register Office, Chorlton, shows her as a widow aged 38 and father as Thomas O'BRIEN, Commissionaire, which matches the marriage to David.  Her address is 83 Chorlton Road, Hulme, and the witnesses were William Albert and Winifred Maud SAUNDERS.  Certificates have been uploaded to an Ancestry family tree.

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« Reply #107 on: Sunday 17 December 17 13:26 GMT (UK) »
Do you think this might be her again? Note the name Barrett. This was July 1932.
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