My other brick wall

[Familysearch]

Sorry, I wasn't looking at the transcription - I have the copy of the actual document, which was completed by the householder.

The links on the posting are not working for me.

FS

[rosie99]

I don't have access to Ancestry, FindMyPast or The Genealogist, but FamilySearch says:

John William Lamb
England and Wales Census, 1911
Name:   John William Lamb
Event Type:   Census
Event Date:   1911
Event Place:   Brighouse, Rastrick Brighouse, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
County:   Yorkshire (West Riding)
Parish:   Brighouse
Sub-District:   Brighouse
Registration District:   Halifax
Gender:   Male
Age:   48
Marital Status (Original):   MARRIED
Occupation:   BLACKSMITH
Birth Year (Estimated):   1863
Birthplace:   Liverpool, Lancashire
Relationship to Head of Household:   Brother

Sorry KG but that transcript is misleading.     J W Lamb & George are living at different addresses, neither record mentions a relationship of brother

[PaulineJ]

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[Familysearch]

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Not having one will stop you accessing the links.

Thank you - I hadn't realised that. I haven't used that site for some time.

[Familysearch]

Have just downloaded the death certificate from GRO.

Date of death is 6 September 1939 -  he only missed the 1939 register by a few weeks.  Oh how different things would have been because his date of birth would have been listed on that.

Informant is one of his daughters.

So, I guess I am not really any further on in my search.  And so far, nothing has popped up about James Lamb, his father.

My mother, sadly now deceased, always had the feeling they were from Ireland, but there was nothing definite. (Mind you, there is nothing definite about his birth in Liverpool, which he gives on all the census records since 1881.)

FS

[Jomot]

Just throwing this in as a possibility....

1861 - 5 Paget Place, Liverpool
Mary Lamb 55 Head b Ireland House Keeper   
James Lamb 19   Son b Ireland Labourer In Iron Foundry

Liverpool Daily Post of 4 Dec 1866 reports a serious accident to James Lamb of 36 Tyndall St when two heavy moulds fell on his chest at Mr Jackson’s foundry, Great Howard Street.

The Liverpool Mercury of 6 Dec 1866 reports the inquest into his death & gives his address as 36 Findal Street and his employers as Jack & Co, Iron Founders.  Along with other men he had been placing three iron moulds, weighing about 3 tons each, onto a carriage.  James failed to shore them up securely and all three fell on him.  He was taken to hospital but died the same evening.

Although he was a labourer rather than a moulder, the name & location both fit, and he was working with iron moulds when he died. 

Unfortunately I can’t find a marriage between 1861 & 1866, but he could certainly have fathered a child in that time, possibly registered under the mother’s surname? 

[libby9]

Possible misread surname

LUMB, JOHN  WILLIAM      HALSTEAD      
GRO Reference: 1862  J Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 109

I can't find a corresponding marriage though in Liverpool or near in either the surname Lamb or Lumb

[Familysearch]

Thank you both for these replies.  Certainly worth investigating.

I have treated myself to a 6 month Ancestry subscription (they made me an offer that was too good to refuse, bearing in mind my other access to Ancestry is a trip to the library!)  I notice there are some Irish records on there, so will have a look around.

I am also using the subscription to update my current tree - amazing what is now available.

FS

[Familysearch]

Just to update:  I have obtained the certificates mentioned.

Unfortunately, the James William LUMB is Lumb.

The death in 1866 is a possible, I think.  James is described on John William Lamb's marriage certificate as a  moulder. We could, therefore, reason that maybe the young lad never knew his father and gave the nearest occupation he could.  That particular family were never particularly accurate with information anyway - hence my predicament!

There is a reference to his grave on Find A Grave.

I have not been able to get the newspaper reports - Jomot, do you have a link to them, please?

Started trying to find out what happened to Mary after the 1861, but she seems to have disappeared.  Plenty of Mary Lambs about - but not any that fit!

Anyway, might have moved a little closer with the 1861 census, and the subsequent death

Thanks.

FS