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Re: Can anyone help with identifying the coat of arms/family in the attachment?
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 04 January 18 09:46 GMT (UK) »
Good morning,

So the ring is not British made as no hallmarks. 9 carat gold but not sure which country used that mark, not Germany as they use/used a K for carat.

 What do we know of the families KG has quoted, could 2 crescents denote twin second sons?

Definately crescents and not horseshoes.

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Re: Can anyone help with identifying the coat of arms/family in the attachment?
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 04 January 18 10:05 GMT (UK) »
Twin births ALWAYS indicate which twin was born first; for inheritance purposes ;D
(I am a twin, and the father of twins, and the grandfather of twins :D)

So 2 sons being twins would have different cadency marks.
Also, the cadency mark is invariably in the top centre of the arms.

The 2 crescents on the ring are absolutely not cadency marks.
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Re: Can anyone help with identifying the coat of arms/family in the attachment?
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 04 January 18 10:18 GMT (UK) »
This looks to me to be a variation of the Durie arms from Scotland :"Azure a chevron Argent between three crescents Argent" (recorded 1562 and 1591) with the lower crescent altered to denote a junior branch. A common form of "differencing".

Maec

P.S.  I agree the bottom symbol is a cinquefoil, not a mullet.
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Re: Can anyone help with identifying the coat of arms/family in the attachment?
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 04 January 18 11:27 GMT (UK) »
Well Done Maec!  :D

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Re: Can anyone help with identifying the coat of arms/family in the attachment?
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 04 January 18 11:55 GMT (UK) »
Yes, well done.

Could this be it?: from https://www.duriefamily.co.uk/arms-tartan-arms-heraldry/durie-arms-and-crest
John Durie of Grange in the Parish of Burntisland Bears azure a Cheverone argent betwixt three crescents all within a bordur invecked or Above the shield ane helmet befitting his degree mantled gules doubled argent
I don't know what the words mantling & doubled mean....
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Can anyone help with identifying the coat of arms/family in the attachment?
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 04 January 18 12:21 GMT (UK) »
No, not John Durie of Grange. The arms he carries have been differenced by the addition of a border (bordure), so not the same branch, but certainly related. So you're on the right track. :)
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Re: Can anyone help with identifying the coat of arms/family in the attachment?
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 04 January 18 12:25 GMT (UK) »
Well done, MaecW ;D

I will freely admit to not being great with Scottish Heraldry (or Family History!).
No Scots in my family tree, which goes back to mid-1500s.
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Re: Can anyone help with identifying the coat of arms/family in the attachment?
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 04 January 18 15:35 GMT (UK) »
The mantling is the cloth below the helmet guys!  red & showing silver,  nothing to do with gas-mantles!  ;D

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Re: Can anyone help with identifying the coat of arms/family in the attachment?
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 04 January 18 15:41 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Skoosh. My son had a craze on heraldry in the early 1970s but I've forgotten it all.... :-[
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON