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Re: Pierce Family (of Pierce Ironworks Foundry)
« Reply #9 on: Monday 01 January 18 17:44 GMT (UK) »
If she wasn't a sibling, then maybe a cousin....all you can do is study the Registers going back in time.
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Re: Pierce Family (of Pierce Ironworks Foundry)
« Reply #10 on: Monday 01 January 18 18:30 GMT (UK) »
Would this be the Hughes family on the 1901? -

George Hughes   57
Elizabeth Hughes   57
Joseph Hughes   16
George Hughes   14
Evan Hughes   11
Lilian J Hughes   7

RG13 Piece 3443 Folio 13 Page 17

Do you have the birth certs for any of the above to confirm their mother's maiden name of Pierce?

This would appear to be Lilian's birth but her mother's maiden name is Killean.

Lily Jane Hughes
q4 1893, West Derby
Vol 8b Page 448
Mother's maiden name - Killean

Sorry to put yet another possible spanner in the works but it's always best to check the facts  :)

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Re: Pierce Family (of Pierce Ironworks Foundry)
« Reply #11 on: Monday 01 January 18 18:55 GMT (UK) »
Glad you posted that JJ.
I found Evan with mmn Pierce but couldnít find Joseph. There is a Joseph with mmn Killien though.

(I wrote wrong spelling at first, sorry)
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Re: Pierce Family (of Pierce Ironworks Foundry)
« Reply #12 on: Monday 01 January 18 19:19 GMT (UK) »
I canít see a likely marriage and the couple are quite old for a young family. I wonder if there is a previous marriage.

There is a possibility for George in 1881 3585/83/49
He is single but is a Railway Inspector not a Millwright  :-\
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Re: Pierce Family (of Pierce Ironworks Foundry)
« Reply #13 on: Monday 01 January 18 19:31 GMT (UK) »
This could be George's birth record but his mother's maiden name is Pierce

George Hughes
q3  1887 West Derby
Vol 8b Page 423

Very odd that two of the children's birth record shows Pierce and the other two Killean/Killien. Could it be that Elizabeth was a Pierce but married a Killean/Killien and therefore her married name was used to register two of the births instead of her maiden name.  :-\

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Re: Pierce Family (of Pierce Ironworks Foundry)
« Reply #14 on: Monday 01 January 18 19:49 GMT (UK) »
At first I thought Joseph who seems to be the oldest child was Georgeís from a previous marriage until you found Lillian.
George and Elizabeth are together in 1891 with one Kill*n child and two Pierce. Then Lillian is born when Elizabeth is 50ish  :-\
Perhaps Joseph is Elizabethís child; the next two from George ; the couple get together abt 1891 and then have Lillian together.

Brian says though that there is family knowledge/belief re Elizabeth Pierce

Itís a mystery but interesting. :)
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Re: Pierce Family (of Pierce Ironworks Foundry)
« Reply #15 on: Monday 01 January 18 20:55 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the posts everyone.
To JJen - yes that's the correct Hughes family in 1901, and I do have the birth cert of Evan Hughes which states that his mother's name was 'Elizabeth Hughes formerly Pierce', and the birth address is 94 Hood Street, Bootle, the same as the 1891 Census street address.
I have to admit that I didn't check the GRO until you posted your message, and so did not know about the Killean references - sorry again for not checking my facts properly.
I don't understand the Killean link - needs further thought.

To Heywood - yes I believe that is the correct George Hughes in 1881 lodging in Birkenhead and working as a Railway Inspector.

To Hallmark - regarding the Pierce family, I think that James Pierce married Mary Ann Murphy - his Probate record gives his wife's name as Mary Ann, their son John's birth record shows her maiden name as Murkley (sic), and James Pierce and Mary Ann Murphy are the parents of Joanna born 6.10.1844, Mary born 5.4.1848 and Phillip born 14.4.1846). Of course there could be a James Pierce that married Mary Ann Murphy and another that married Mary Ann (surname unknown).

I've only been researching the Pierce family for a couple of days, and have found baptism records and family members in 1901 and 1911 - James' sons Martin who married Mary, and John (described as Foundry Proprietor) who married Susan -and they are in the right locations (Maudlintown and Ballyboggan).
I was hoping that there might be some source local to Wexford, or some expert in Wexford, that could shed more light on the Pierce family, in order to determine if there was a child called Elizabeth born around 1843/1844.

Thanks again for all your efforts on my behalf.
Brian.

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Re: Pierce Family (of Pierce Ironworks Foundry)
« Reply #16 on: Monday 01 January 18 21:56 GMT (UK) »
The Pierce family seem very interesting  :)

At first I thought there were some discrepancies - children born in 1840s then children born in 1860s but will and death references seem to support this.
Then John is Church of Ireland according to the census and Martin is Catholic but I suppose that happens.
There are two more sisters living with Johanna
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Wexford_Rural/Maudlintown/1804554/
Johanna died 1918
Alice died 1934
Annie died 1935
As there are some differences though re the Hughesí births and, at the moment,no marriage between George and Elizabeth it would perhaps be best to compare the birth information re Elizabeth and her surname.
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Re: Pierce Family (of Pierce Ironworks Foundry)
« Reply #17 on: Monday 01 January 18 22:49 GMT (UK) »
"...regarding the Pierce family, I think that James Pierce married Mary Ann Murphy - his Probate record gives his wife's name as Mary Ann, their son John's birth record shows her maiden name as Murkley (sic), and James Pierce and Mary Ann Murphy are the parents of Joanna born 6.10.1844, Mary born 5.4.1848 and Phillip born 14.4.1846)...."

I didn't know that.

A search of Registers should get their details and any children.
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