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Re: Robert Jones, Llanelidan, mid 1800s
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 04 January 18 18:43 GMT (UK) »
Ah, now that is VERY helpful.

I've got the Census CDs for Merioneth and Denbigh for 1841 through 1861 so I can try and check the occupants of that residence for those years.

Diolch yn fawr, Gordon.

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Re: Robert Jones, Llanelidan, mid 1800s
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 25 January 18 21:50 GMT (UK) »
At last, I now have the marriage certificate for the Robert Jones/Margaret Roberts marriage in 1854.
The date is the 4th January, 1854 at the Independant Church (?? Street, Llanrhydd ??).

Robert is a husbandman, residence Garthinen, Llanelidan,  and his father is David Jones, farmer.
Margaret is a servant, residence Bodlwydd Ucha, and her father is John Roberts, shoemaker.

In later censuses Margaret says she's from Llandderfel. I scanned the Llandderfel census and there seem to be a number of shoemakers there so maybe it was a local industry ?

I tried to find 'Garthinen' as a residence on the censuses, but couldn't locate it, certainly not in Llanelidan, so I've no idea where it is. I think I've got the spelling correct so maybe someone else may have some insight ?

This does look like the right marriage for my family. Brynhyfryd was a row of cottages quite near Bodlwydd Ucha, and Robert Jones my g-g-grandfather was born in 1854 soon after this marriage so it all seems to add up.

Thoughts anyone ? :)

Thanks, Gordon.

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Re: Robert Jones, Llanelidan, mid 1800s
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 25 January 18 22:10 GMT (UK) »
There is a settlement called Garthneuoedd (or Garth-y-neuadd) on the c1851 census and it's still there on modern maps:

https://tinyurl.com/ycgmexsr

I'm having problems with the NLS map collection tonight - the OS maps don't seem to be up  :-\

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Re: Robert Jones, Llanelidan, mid 1800s
« Reply #21 on: Friday 26 January 18 07:32 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I noticed Garthneuodd, but I don't think it's the same thing. Here's the marriage certificate so you can see exactly what was written.


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Re: Robert Jones, Llanelidan, mid 1800s
« Reply #22 on: Friday 26 January 18 08:43 GMT (UK) »
Welshnewspapers online has "Garthinen, Llandrillo" and "Garthinen, Gwyddelwern"

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Re: Robert Jones, Llanelidan, mid 1800s
« Reply #23 on: Friday 26 January 18 08:49 GMT (UK) »
The Llandrillo version,I believe,should be Garthiaen,as I think that it may be the correct address for this person:-

http://cymru1914.org/en/view/newspaper/3887649/6

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Re: Robert Jones, Llanelidan, mid 1800s
« Reply #24 on: Friday 26 January 18 08:52 GMT (UK) »
If that's the case, I think Gwyddelwern would be the closest as they're adjacent parishes.  Llandrillo further away.
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Re: Robert Jones, Llanelidan, mid 1800s
« Reply #25 on: Friday 26 January 18 09:05 GMT (UK) »
Thanks all ! That's very helpful. So if it's Gwyddelwern, then it wouldn't be unreasonable for Robert to put it down as "Garthinen, Llanelidan" ?

I'll start researching the censuses for that location.

Gordon.

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Re: Robert Jones, Llanelidan, mid 1800s
« Reply #26 on: Friday 26 January 18 09:08 GMT (UK) »
Thanks all ! That's very helpful. So if it's Gwyddelwern, then it wouldn't be unreasonable for Robert to put it down as "Garthinen, Llanelidan" ?

I'll start researching the censuses for that location.

Gordon.

Yes. Some of my Joneses came from the area and I had to buy both the Llanelidan and Gwyddelwern records because they kept 'flitting' between the two  ::)
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