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Re: David Donaldson Claremont New Hampshire look up
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 11 October 20 04:11 BST (UK) »

Just a quick review of children to David Donaldson and Mary Jane Long who married on 3 April 1888:

(4) Albert Samuel Donaldson born on 21 June 1893 (family address = Hill Street, Lisburn):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1893/02308/1865372.pdf


Given the groom's address of 18 Arran Street in the following 1920 registration of a St. Matthew's marriage (same address mentioned in Reply #26 immediately above), it seems most likely that David and Mary Jane Donaldson's son Albert went on to marry an Eliza Jane Hanna:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1920/09256/5307429.pdf

I can also see a St. Matthew's baptismal record for a son to this couple in 1921 (who in turn went on to marry in St. Matthew's in 1946), and another son in 1925.


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Re: David Donaldson Claremont New Hampshire look up
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 11 October 20 04:46 BST (UK) »

Just a quick review of children to David Donaldson and Mary Jane Long who married on 3 April 1888:

(3) Joseph Donaldson born on 29 January 1892 (family address = 2 Crumlin Street, Belfast):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02361/1881934.pdf


I think this death in Lisburn in 1906 has to be a possibility for Joseph born in 1892:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05550/4557053.pdf


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Re: David Donaldson Claremont New Hampshire look up
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 11 October 20 11:38 BST (UK) »
Although the age at death is 'light' in each case, I think that the following may be the death registrations for Joseph Donaldson and his wife Isabella Kelly in 1886 and 1898 respectively:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1886/06253/4790771.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05842/4655053.pdf

I suspect that the informant of Joseph's death ('D Donaldson Son') may be David and that the informant of Isabella's death ('Margaret Donaldson Daughter') may be the same one who married Thomas McTaggart in August 1900 (marriage link at Reply #22 above).

The only actual records I could find to confirm children of Joseph Donaldson and Isabella Kelly are three Lisburn civil birth registrations for a son Samuel Donaldson in 1865 (who went on to marry a Margaret Watson) and twin sons William and Thomas Donaldson in 1869 (who I think died the following year). So I'm guessing that the children David Donaldson and Margaret Donaldson, regardless of what birth years are indicated by other sources, were actually born pre-civil registration of births in 1864.  Since Joseph Donaldson and Isabella Kelly were married in 1850, one might reasonably expect there to have been other children between then and 1864.  So for example, I suspect that the James Donaldson in the following 1875 record of marriage to a Margaret Mulgrew, may be a son born to the couple c. 1854:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1875/11203/8105416.pdf
     
Note: 'Piper Hill Lisburn' in the above marriage registration was the same address as that in the 1869 birth registrations for twins William and Thomas Donaldson mentioned above:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03413/2251810.pdf

So it's all a bit more nebulous than I would like, but the bottom line is that the  'RootsIreland' St. Peter's transcript of that 1888 Donaldson-Long marriage did identify David's parents as Joseph Donaldson and Isabella Kelly.



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Re: David Donaldson Claremont New Hampshire look up
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 11 October 20 13:09 BST (UK) »

Just a quick review of children to David Donaldson and Mary Jane Long who married on 3 April 1888:

(1) Martha Donaldson born on 1 June 1889 (family address = 15 Crumlin Street, Belfast):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02466/1915939.pdf

(2) Unnamed male Donaldson born on 14 November 1890 (family address = 15 Crumlin Street, Belfast):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02411/1898952.pdf


I've really struggled with tracking back Mary Jane Long, the only information about her background was her father's details in that 1888 record of marriage to David Donaldson - namely William Long, a coachman, deceased at the time of that marriage.  As I said at Reply #21, the St. Peter's version of that marriage record elaborated on that to identify her mother as well - Mary Anne Stewart.

I couldn't find a William Long - Mary Anne Stewart marriage, nor could I find a birth/baptismal record for Mary Jane Long.

But then I happened upon the following baptismal record for a John Long, he was baptised in Glenavy & Killead RC parish on 4 September 1853, the baptismal record shows his parents as William Long and Mary Ann Stewart, William was recorded as 'Prot' (Protestant), son John was identified as 'illeg.' (illegitimate) and the sponsors were Bernard & Rose Jane Stewart (just over halfway down left page in the following link):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633183#page/10/mode/1up

In tracking John Long forward, the following marriage registration jumped out, it took place in St. Patrick's Belfast about 3 years before David Donaldson and Mary Jane Long got married, it shows a 30 year old John Long marrying an Annie McCune, John's father recorded as... one 'William Long Deceased', 'Coachman':
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1885/10865/5967629.pdf

John Long and Annie McCune went on to have a number of children, the birth that is most interesting is of their daughter Rebecca Long, born on 15 June 1891. Previously, at Reply #24, I listed the children born to David Donaldson and Mary Jane Long, the first two, Martha and an unnamed male (David?) were born in June 1889 and November 1890 respectively, the family address for both was 15 Crumlin Street. The family address for Rebecca Long, born 7 months after that unnamed Donaldson son, was... 15 Crumlin Street:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02381/1888455.pdf         

So notwithstanding the lack of a birth/baptismal record for Mary Jane, a hypothesis at this point has to be that she and John were maybe related, maybe siblings, and that maybe therefore she too was the illegitimate child of that protestant coachman William Long and Mary Anne Stewart.