Solomon Family in Australia

[bitzar]

Chris

Do you know Ernest's Date of Birth in 1877?!?!

Is there anything on Ernest's marriage or death cert which may help us?!

It could be worthwhile trying to Contact or research The Melbourne Synagogue or at least what happened to their records.  Maybe Ernest was baptised there?!

bitzar.

[rosball]

By the way Bitzar you are right about the John SOLOMON obit in 1927 being for John SOLOMON junior and not senior.   The fact that his widow and 2 daughters are in London and Miss Mabel SOLOMON, a daughter, cared for them, all point to John SOLOMON junior (who was married to Annie).  The fact that he lived for 40 years with his mate in NZ was throwing me but yes that was about the time that Annie went off to London with her daughters.  And the fact that his father on death index was not given as John SOLOMON.

But with only daughters mentioned, it still throws doubt on his being Ernest's father.

I have been looking for probates for those who died in NSW (as I can photograph them).   There is John SOLOMON died 1927,  and Michael POLLOCK 1927 and Kate POLLOCK 1923 (as they were childless there is a chance they left money to various nieces and nephews).   Unfortunately these deaths are in the gap in the online probate index (1891-1927) so I will need to check microfiche when I get there.   I haven't found what happened to Mabel SOLOMON yet - have you?

And by the way Kate POLLOCK's death entry gives same parents as her brother John SOLOMON i.e. father Solomon and mother Lydia.   But their father should be John SOLOMON shouldn't it?  Well maybe the earlier snippet about Stella's grandfather being John SOLOMON a prominent Hokitika citizen had the relationship wrong - should have said her father.   Then this part of family falls into place (but doesn't seem to include Ernest).
 
Ros

adding : good thought about the baptism 

[chrisferguson]

Thanks for everyone's help.

I will scan the marriage certificate of Ernest Solomon and Esther Windish.

Unfortunately I do not have a full date of birth for Ernest only birth year of 1877.

From the marriage certificate he was living at 22 Brushfield street,London Spitlafields with Esther living next door at number 24.

Jacob Solomon profession is noted as what looks like General Deals.

[bitzar]

Ros...

Im confident John and Kate's parents are Solomon and Lydia.  Found them on the 1851.  A male the right age for John is named Jonas, interesting..... Could be his brother or him!  Havent found them on the 1841 yet.

Mabel has dissappeared!  I thought she might of been in the big grave at Rookwood with her father, but no.

There seems to have been a lot of shipping between NZ and Australia for the family.  At one stage in 1875-6, Mrs J Solomon and children was also with Mrs A Solomons (her mother).

Chris...

Is the name Jacob Solomon hand written?!  Could it read anything else?!

bitzar.

ADD: Just spoke to The Melbourne Hebrew Congregation.  Extremely helpful and they will get back to me.

[maddys52]

Ernest was a commercial traveller and fathers name give as Jacob Solomon

This is an interesting thread  , but the only thing I can contribute at the moment is to note that on the 1911 census Ernest gives his occupation as hotel waiter.

[maddys52]

Can you scan the marriage certificate and post it here for us to see.

There is a probate record to find for Ernest SOLOMON AKA ESDAILE, d 1917.

Might be useful information to see.

London electors has Ernest ESDAILE at 138 Lower Kennington in 1911, 9 Montford 1913 / 14 / 15.
Always ESDAILE.

I agree, the probate could be useful?

I note also that Ernest was married with the name SOLOMON, and his children were registered with the name SOLOMON, even Herbert who was born after the 1911 census. (Which is why he changed his name by deed poll)

[bitzar]

The Synagogue staff just called back...

No other reference in their log's other than the 1868 marriage of John SOLOMON and Annie SOLOMONS. 

bitzar.

[bitzar]

Found on the 1841.  Solomon SOLOMON transcribed as John SOLOMAN.

I think the son Jonas mentioned on the 1841 and 1851 is the John SOLOMON, d 1927.

Another edition of the SOLOMON / POLLOCK obit:

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/184225860?searchTerm=john%20solomon%20pollock&searchLimits=dateFrom=1927-01-01|||dateTo=1927-12-31

GOULSTON is the married name of John's other sister Martha.  She also died at Glebe in 1921.  Martha is also mentioned on the 1841 and 1851.

Still 'what if', I know.

bitzar.

[maddys52]

I was thinking that the John HOLLAND SOLOMON who died in 1927 (as an old citizen of Hokitika) was the grandfather of Stella so father of John HOLLAND  SOLOMON who fathered Stella and Florence.   I think his age of 95/6 allows that at a push.

But the obit only mentions 4 daughters ... 

adding : but yes it fits in other ways so perhaps the obit missed some family

I think the Stella referred to as grand daughter of John SOLOMON is actually Florence's daughter - Stella Tapperell PACK born reg 1897 in Melbourne. (She is the Stella on the 1901 census).