George Whitty 1926 - 1929 Dublin

[hallmark]

I only used the 'research' term because I thought I remembered seeing it on an order form downloaded from the GRO site, sorry.

 

It is no problem but a new member of staff would probably not have a clue what was meant by "research copy"

[dathai]

both Bridget 1932 and George 1955 are buried in Glasnevin the child George is not buried in Glasnevin
https://www.glasnevintrust.ie/genealogy/results/index.xml

[dathai]

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7958988

[dathai]

Dont know if there could be a connection  but a James Whitty age 24 in 1922 with a wife Alice was living at 12 upper Abbey St
1922 Irish Army Census
http://census.militaryarchives.ie/pdf/Gormanstown_2_Eastern_Division_Eastern_Command_Page_82.pdf

dont see a marriage for them

[josey]

Thank you for all those finds, dathai. James Whitty a brother was mentioned as George's NOK in the mariner's database you showed me
Next of Kin: James Whitty (b) 21 Rutland Cottages, Dublin.

Bridget was a paternal great aunt; I wonder where child George is buried? I wonder too if Bridget had been admitted to Grangegorman between child George's birth & death & he was living in Upper Abbey Rd with his father's family?

[dathai]

Do you think George seniors birth could be out by 7yrs
George Whitty born 10 May 1878 at Grangegorman To Martin and Ellen Mulcahy
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02966/2086656.pdf
Martin Whitty married Ellen Mulcahy in 1877
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1877/11135/8077360.pdf
Martin appears to have died 1880 of heart disease on board ''Mave Queen ''North Wall age 32 married a Commercial Clerk
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1880/06460/4857319.pdf

Ellen Whitty nee Mulcahy widow married Simon Lynch in 1881
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1881/11010/8025622.pdf

Martin said his father George was deceased by 1877
Glasnevin also shows a burial for George Whitty in 1875 age 60
death is registered in 1876 not yet viewable

[josey]

Great, thanks. That all sounds likely for Martin, as George stated father Martin to be a clerk on his marriage in 1921. Strange that Ellen states she is a spinster [albeit Whitty alias Mulcahy] on marriage to Simon Lynch. I had looked at the newspaper archive & there are reports of coining in 1894 with a Martin Whitty 'a known thief' of Lower Tyrone St one of the accused, no age sadly. He got 7 months penal servitude. Obviously not George's father.

As to George's age, perhaps for some reason he lied consistently on enlistment into marine service. His actual birth DAY is near enough - registered as born on 10 May, shows 9 May on enlistment:
Whitty, George (Fireman) RS2 No.427150.
Born: 1885-05-09, Dublin, Co. Dublin, Ireland
Photo: f5
Voyages:
1919-07-28 British Sovereign ON 140319 of London (British Petroleum Co)
1920-03-01 Sheaf Mead (1919) ON 137072 of Newcastle (Souter, W A)
1920-12-01 New Georgia ON 140645 of Liverpool (Elder Dempster)

Whitty, George (Fireman) RS2 No.348108.
Born: 1885-05-09, Dublin, Co. Dublin, Ireland
Disch A No: 924912 Photo: f4
Next of Kin: James Whitty (b) 21 Rutland Cottages, Dublin.
Notes: Cancelled, Renewal No:427150
Voyages:1919-02-01 Santa Theresa ON 135578 of Liverpool (Roydon, Thos)

There is an unnamed male child born to this couple of 39 Queen St in Rotunda Hospital on 15 Mar 1881 - though it doesn't say Martin is deceased it does state his occupation is 'nil'. Martin died 12 Oct 1880 as you found.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02842/2041684.pdf
I think this baby died at 8 hours old at the Rotunda.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1881/06451/4854129.pdf

The only suitable Ellen Lynch I can find in 1901 is a widow aged 50 with son Michael Lynch aged 27.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/North_City/Liffey_St__Lower/1332928/
and 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Mansion_House/Cuffe_Lane/89556/
but I cannot find a birth of a Michael with mother Ellen.
ADDED:
A Simon Lynch died 1889 aged 36
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1889/06134/4751993.pdf

[myluck!]

The only suitable Ellen Lynch I can find in 1901 is a widow aged 50 with son Michael Lynch aged 27.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/North_City/Liffey_St__Lower/1332928/
and 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Mansion_House/Cuffe_Lane/89556/
but I cannot find a birth of a Michael with mother Ellen.

dathai's find shows "Ellen Whitty nee Mulcahy widow married Simon Lynch in 1881"
This means she was married only 20 years
If she had a son Michael LYNCH in 1901 maybe he was actually her step-son or the age is out

I'll have a look...

[josey]

Ah, thank you, my maths out again....

ADDED: Yes, Simon a widower in 1881 marriage. Michael's birth ca 1873/4 if age is right.