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Birth/Marriage record request - Newborough, Evans Family 1802
« on: Tuesday 23 January 18 21:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi there, a bit stuck in the search.  Looking for information on Thomas Evans (and his parents), born around 1802, in Newborough. 

1841 - He lived at Tyn Llwyn (Trefdraeth) with his son, Evan, and mother, Elizabeth. 
1861 - Pen-Dref St. in Newborough. 
1871 - Rabbit dealer and wife (Ellen) was a matmaker on Malltraeth St. Newborough. 
1881 - Address listed as Lyn Capel or Ty Capel in Newborough

Would love to know about Thomas' parents (my 5X GGrandparents), as well as find a marriage cert for Thomas and Ellen (nee Williams).  We believe they may have been married at St. Peter's church in Newborough - but we could be wrong. Thank you for any information you can find!  My sister and I are visiting in June and hope to visit some of these amazing places!

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Re: Birth/Marriage record request - Newborough, Evans Family 1802
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 23 January 18 22:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi, and welcome to Rootschat, seeing the 1861 address for Thomas we have for 1851 census:-

Thomas Evans 48
Ellen 42
William Williams 82 Father
Residing Pendreff St St Peters, Newborough
Census ref HO107/2516/396/19

Whose father it is open to question seeing that state of the original?!!
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Re: Birth/Marriage record request - Newborough, Evans Family 1802
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 23 January 18 22:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi, welcome to RootsChat.

If Thomas's surname is patronymic there are possible baptisms for both Thomas and Ellen at St Peter's, Newborough. (FindmyPast)

Thomas son of Evan Thomas, Llwynysgow(?), & Elizabeth his wife -1802 (day & month are not visible but month is August or September).
Agnes & Ellin twin daughters of William Williams Labourer & Ellin his wife 1808 - Oct 20+(?).
(Also in the same year - Elizabeth daughter of Evan Thomas, Llwynysgow(?), & Elizabeth his wife - 1808, Jun ??).


Do you also have the 1851 census?
At Pendref St, Newborough - Thomas Evans, 48, Farm Labr; wife Ellen, 42; father (in law?) William Williams, 82, Farm Labr Pauper. All b. Newborough.
Anglesey - Thomas:
Bodedern, Heneglwys, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Jones:
Llanfaethlu, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll, Rhoscolyn.
Anglesey - Parry:Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Lewis:Llanbadrig.
Anglesey - Willins & Tyran/Tyrer

Caernarvonshire - Evans and Lewis:Llanberis.

Denbighshire - Jenkins:Llandynan, Llantysilio, Cerrigydrudion.
Denbighshire - Jones:Rhos, Ruabon.
Denbighshire - Jones:Henllan

Flintshire - Mathews:Northop

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Re: Birth/Marriage record request - Newborough, Evans Family 1802
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 24 January 18 01:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi again, in 1841 census Pendre Street we have:-

William WILLIAM 70
Elinor 30
Jane 15
Census ref HO107/1360/ 12/17 / 9
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Re: Birth/Marriage record request - Newborough, Evans Family 1802
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 24 January 18 02:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi again, I do not think the couple married until:-

14th March 1851 Newborough

Thomas Evans WIDOWER Father Evan Thomas ( Amended surname )
Ellen Williams  Spinster Father William Williams
Witnesses William Williams & Owen Evans

Got to go to bed, perhaps he was firstly  married aged 21 to a Margaret Griffith aged 19 14th November 1843 ( Now not certain of this, as father shown as Evan Evans)? Newborough and then to a Ann Jones 27th September 1847 Newborough as a Widower?
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Re: Birth/Marriage record request - Newborough, Evans Family 1802
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 24 January 18 09:58 GMT (UK) »

Thomas Evans WIDOWER Father Evan Evans
Ellen Williams  Spinster Father William Williams
Witnesses William Williams & Owen Evans


Slight correction - marriage certificate shows Thomas Evans, Widower, father Evan THOMAS.
Anglesey - Thomas:
Bodedern, Heneglwys, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Jones:
Llanfaethlu, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll, Rhoscolyn.
Anglesey - Parry:Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Lewis:Llanbadrig.
Anglesey - Willins & Tyran/Tyrer

Caernarvonshire - Evans and Lewis:Llanberis.

Denbighshire - Jenkins:Llandynan, Llantysilio, Cerrigydrudion.
Denbighshire - Jones:Rhos, Ruabon.
Denbighshire - Jones:Henllan

Flintshire - Mathews:Northop

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Re: Birth/Marriage record request - Newborough, Evans Family 1802
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 24 January 18 13:55 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Birth/Marriage record request - Newborough, Evans Family 1802
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 24 January 18 16:38 GMT (UK) »

1841 - He lived at Tyn Llwyn (Trefdraeth) with his son, Evan, and mother, Elizabeth. 


Assuming this is the correct family (are you descended from Evan?) Evan's baptism was at Trefdraeth 22 Jun 1834 - Evan Griffith son of Thomas & Elizabeth Evans, Tyddyn llwyn, farmer.

Also at Trefdraeth there was a marriage between Thomas Evans (bachelor) and Elizabeth Jones, both of Trefdraeth, on 25 Sep 1833. Both signed, the witnesses were John Parry and Margaret Williams.

Elizabeth Evans of Ty'n llwyn was buried at Trefdraeth on 4 Feb 1839, age 25.

Thomas & Elizabeth had two other sons baptised at Trefdraeth:
Emmanuel son of Thomas & Elizabeth Evans, Ty'n llwyn, farmer - 13 Nov 1836
Thomas son of Thomas & Elizabeth Evans, Ty'n llwyn, farmer - 10 Feb 1839
Both died young and were buried at Trefdraeth:
Emmanuel Evans, Ty'n Llwyn age 2 on 13 Mar 1838
Thomas Evans, Ty'n Llwyn age 3 on 3 Nov 1841

But there is a problem!

Thomas Evans' mother Elizabeth died in 1842 and was buried at Trefdraeth. The burial register has Elizabeth Jones, Ty'n llwyn, age 79, 2 Jul 1842 (Jones was Elizabeth's maiden name retained under the old Welsh patronymic system).
Elizabeth's death registration has:
Elizabeth Evans, age 79, died 28 Jun 1842, Trefdraeth. She was described as the widow of Emanuel Evans, the informant was Robert Evans.

Emmanuel Evans was also buried at Trefdraeth - 31 Aug 1836, age 73, again the abode was Ty'n Llwyn.

So who was Thomas Evans father? The 1851 marriage to Ellen Williams gives his father as Evan Thomas, which agrees with the baptism at Newborough in 1802. The information above suggests Emanuel Evans.
Anglesey - Thomas:
Bodedern, Heneglwys, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Jones:
Llanfaethlu, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll, Rhoscolyn.
Anglesey - Parry:Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Lewis:Llanbadrig.
Anglesey - Willins & Tyran/Tyrer

Caernarvonshire - Evans and Lewis:Llanberis.

Denbighshire - Jenkins:Llandynan, Llantysilio, Cerrigydrudion.
Denbighshire - Jones:Rhos, Ruabon.
Denbighshire - Jones:Henllan

Flintshire - Mathews:Northop

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Re: Birth/Marriage record request - Newborough, Evans Family 1802
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 24 January 18 17:04 GMT (UK) »
The Thomas Evans at Ty'n llwyn in 1841 died in 1842.

Trefdraeth burial register (P41, 324) has Thomas Evans, Ty'n llwyn, age 43, buried 28 May.
The death registration has Thomas Evans, 43, farmer, died 25 May 1842 at Trefdraeth, the informant was Robert Evans.

If this Thomas Evans is your ancestor I can supply more information about his parents and siblings.
Anglesey - Thomas:
Bodedern, Heneglwys, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Jones:
Llanfaethlu, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll, Rhoscolyn.
Anglesey - Parry:Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Lewis:Llanbadrig.
Anglesey - Willins & Tyran/Tyrer

Caernarvonshire - Evans and Lewis:Llanberis.

Denbighshire - Jenkins:Llandynan, Llantysilio, Cerrigydrudion.
Denbighshire - Jones:Rhos, Ruabon.
Denbighshire - Jones:Henllan

Flintshire - Mathews:Northop

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