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Marriage and/or 1841 census for Morgan Davies
« on: Friday 26 January 18 19:05 GMT (UK) »
I have the death certificate for what I think is my 4xG Grandmother, Gwenllian Davies, who died 8 Dec 1849 at Village, Aberdare, aged 68.  She is described as the widow of Thomas Davies, Collier, and the informant was Morgan Davies in attendance, Twynyrotin (sic), Merthyr Tydfil.

There are a few possibilities for Morgan, but the one I think most likely is in Bedwellty in 1851 with wife Anne & family - H0107/2448/810/28 - http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lex/

I'm fairly sure this family ends up in Minersville, Ohio by 1860, but I cant find them in 1841, nor can I find a suitable marriage between Morgan & Ann.  Can anyone help? 
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham. North Yorkshire.  JACKSON: East Yorks, North Yorks, Durham. TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Marriage and/or 1841 census for Morgan Davies
« Reply #1 on: Friday 26 January 18 19:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi they could be this family in 1841:-

Morgan Davies 30
Ann 30
William 12
Ann 10
Elizabeth 5
James 3
John 0
Residing at Rose Yr Yofa, Ycha, Gellygare
Census ref HO107/1414/ 10/11 / 6
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EDIT Was Gwenllian the Gwenllyan Davies 55 with James Davies 25 and Anne 10 residing at Aberdare Village HO107/1420/ 1/30 / 16
Pelly/Pelley/Kingsbury/Challis/Nalder/Rochester/Raydenbow

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Re: Marriage and/or 1841 census for Morgan Davies
« Reply #2 on: Friday 26 January 18 20:00 GMT (UK) »
There is an Alice Davies age 6 born Aberdare with Morgan and Ann in the 1851 census. Aberdare is in the Merthyr Tydfill registration district. Searching on the GRO index brings up 2 birth registrations in Merthyr Tydfill 1845-1847 . If Alice's age is correct in 1851 then the first one is the most likely so Morgan possibly married an Anne Johnson
Alice Davies mmn Johnson June 1/4 1845 Merthyr Tydfill  Vol 26  Page 378    
Alice Davies mmn James Dec 1/4 1847 Merthy Tydfill vol 26  page 384

There is a John age 0 on the 1841 census found by keyboard and there is this birth reg
John Davies mmn JOhnson Merthyr Tydfill March 1/4 1841 Vol  26  Page 391


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Re: Marriage and/or 1841 census for Morgan Davies
« Reply #3 on: Friday 26 January 18 20:04 GMT (UK) »
On family search.org
Morgan Davies
Event - Marriage
Date - 1825
Place   - Aberdare St. John, Glamorgan, Wales
Spouse - Anne Johnson

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Re: Marriage and/or 1841 census for Morgan Davies
« Reply #4 on: Friday 26 January 18 20:10 GMT (UK) »
Morgan David
Wife -Ann Johnson
Daughter - Ann David
Other information in the record of Ann David from Wales Births and Baptisms
Name - Ann David
Birth Date 1 Oct 1831
Birthplace - Carmel Particular Baptist, Aberdare Glamorgan Wales   
Father - Morgan David
Mother - Ann Johnson

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Re: Marriage and/or 1841 census for Morgan Davies
« Reply #5 on: Friday 26 January 18 20:14 GMT (UK) »
Ohio Deaths (original image on familysearch.org)
Name Alice Jones
Event  Death
Date 28 May 1924
Place Beaver, Mahoning, Ohio
Age 79 Widowed
Occupation= Housework
Birth 28 Mar 1845 Wales
Birth Year (Estimated) 1845
Buried 31 May 1924 at North Lima, O.
Father Morgan Davis born Wales
Mother Ann Johnson born Wales
Spouse - James Jones

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Re: Marriage and/or 1841 census for Morgan Davies
« Reply #6 on: Friday 26 January 18 20:15 GMT (UK) »
Glam Marriage index has the marriage 12 Nov 1825 both of Aberdare

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Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Lewis - Ystradgynlias Breckonshire
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Yelland, Bray, Trethewey  - Cornwall

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Re: Marriage and/or 1841 census for Morgan Davies
« Reply #7 on: Friday 26 January 18 23:25 GMT (UK) »
Thank you everyone - that marriage definitely makes sense, as does the baptism of Ann David. 

I'd looked at that many records I ended up going round in circles, but I can see now that as well as the 1831 birth of Anne there are also records for Gwenllian, William & Catherine, so the 1841 found by Keyboard could well be the right one.

EDIT Was Gwenllian the Gwenllyan Davies 55 with James Davies 25 and Anne 10 residing at Aberdare Village HO107/1420/ 1/30 / 16

Yes, that's the one.  I'm trying to 'prove' that this particular James Davies was my 3xG Grandfather and that Gwenllian was his mother, and therefore my 4xG Grandmother.  However, as they both died in 1849 - as did James' wife - I'm having to work for it! 

My 2xG Grandmother was born in 1848 so lost both parents when she was just a year old, and her grandmother too if this is the right family.

The 10 year old Anne living with them is probably Morgan's daughter, who married Howell James in 1852 & moved to Minersville in 1854.   Alice Davies is lodging with them there in 1860

Thank you again, and if you spot anything else that might help, I'll gladly have it! 
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham. North Yorkshire.  JACKSON: East Yorks, North Yorks, Durham. TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Marriage and/or 1841 census for Morgan Davies
« Reply #8 on: Friday 26 January 18 23:31 GMT (UK) »
Deleted - was having a senior moment  ::)
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham. North Yorkshire.  JACKSON: East Yorks, North Yorks, Durham. TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.