Old swinford Marriage

[Kay99]

Hopefully the marriage cert will resolve the issue but if Fanny was brought up by Benjamin and Sarah it is possiible she might name him as her father 

Added - Where was the William born 1846 listed  as being born??

[Trees]

ouch of course that could be the case 

[Kay99]

Popped in the Hive this morning and you are lucky -  Fanny does list her father as Edmund!

18 Dec 1864 -
Alfred Male age 24 - Bachelor - Father Handel  Male - Boatman
Fanny Flavell age 22 - Spinster- Father Edmund Flavell - Labourer  Both signed
Witnesses - Sarah Male and Luke Hallchurch??

Kay

[Trees]

Brilliant. Many many thanks
So Edmund and Mary definitely had
Fanny Q3 1842 m Alfred Male
Maria 1848-1849
Edmund 1850-1852

I think William 1846 also fits this family I think he is probably under the name of whoever took him in when his mum died in 1851 and 1861 just wish I could work out who it was who looked after him.his Uncle and Aunt Benjamin and Sarah took Fanny and Edmund in probably William was just one too many Fanny was old enough to help with baby Edmund. Then after he died they took in the ilegitemate child of Sarah's niece ( from her sister Jane who had married John PROSSER then when Fanny married and the Prosser child left them they welcomed William back 1871.

Now which of the Prosser girls had baby Jane in 1860 and who looked after WILLIAM 1850-1871

[Kay99]

Re your William  I wonder if this might be him???

William Flavill born March Qtr 1846 Vol 18 Page 302 and the GRO Birth Index lists the mothers maiden name as Flavill

[Trees]

unfortunately no he was son of Eliza and James he was baptised the day he was born 27 Jan 1846 (Family search)and buried aged 6 days on 1 Feb in Lower Gornal adode Gornal Wood(Free Reg)
Eliza was one of three sisters daughters of George and Fanny FLAVELL who each married a flavell man. James was not a brother of the other two but Benjamin(Sarah)and Edmund(Mary)were brothers. Older sister Jane married John Prosser its one of her grandchildren with Ben./Sarah in 1861 along with Fanny daughter of Edmund/Mary.
In 1851 Fanny and EDmund children of Edmund/Mary are with Ben./Sarah as children so when William has turned up as son with Ben/Sarah in 1871 I am thinking he too must be son of Edmund /Mary but proving it is not easy. we have made a chart of all the William Flavellss born 1846 +- two from censuses to see if an odd one turns up so far nothing stands out
 Meanwhile there is a fifth sister unacounted for Hannah born 1810 I am trying to find a marriage for her in case she took William in.
Thanks for all your help, I am sure he'll turn up one day.