Stumped

[Elliebean54]

Hi I wondered if anyone could help with a problem I've been working on for a while and maybe needs fresh eyes?

It regards a Richard Charles Jones born 1890 in Limehouse, East London? His father was a Richard Charles as well (1861-1929), and his mother Mary Ann Palmer.

The issue I have is records regarding his later life. He married a lady called "Lil" who living family members still remember well. We assume her full name was Lilian because later children in the family were named that after her. The marriage would have taken place between around 1915-1920 in London.
But I can't find it. I've searched on Ancestry and freebmd and can't find a suitable marriage related to Richard Jones at all.

They had children named Robert, Violet and Hettie in the 1920s in the East End area of London (and 2 more still potentially living so can't mention names)

I've found a Robert and Violet (and one of the living children) born to Jones with the same mother's maiden name but can't find the other two, although there is a Hettie born in the correct timescale and area but with a different mother's maiden name listed.

To add to the confusion I also can't find a record of Richard's death. He had died by the early 1940s, probably during the 1930s, we think as a result of a work accident.

So to summarise:
A marriage of Richard Charles Jones b.1890 in London around the 1915-20 mark, his wife probably called Lilian.
Any children of that marriage (though careful which ones you mention on here)
Death record of Richard in London around 1930-45

Any help very much appreciated

[rosie99]

What occupation do you have for Richard Charles Jones in 1911 and where is he living

ADDED what information do you have on the family from the 1939 register

[Elliebean54]

What occupation do you have for Richard Charles Jones in 1911 and where is he living

He was living at Wrights Buildings, Limehouse, East London with his father and sisters

Occupation "Out of work Carman"

-all the family were dock workers (usually listed as general labourer) or carmen

ADDED:
I just saw the 1939 request - I'm not sure how to search that? I'm quite new to this still.
They were living in the East End, probably still Limehouse, is all I know.
Not in Wrights Buildings though, a lot of the extended family lived there until Richard Snr died in 1929 (it was a big house) and they had to move out because the tenancy was related to his work.
"Lil" Richard's wife was likely the head by 1939 and working herself, though it's possible he was alive still.

[rosie99]

You mention that you have found births of children who are now deceased, can you please give details

[ShaunJ]

If there are living children surely it should be possible to get information from them about their mother and father?

[sgf28]

There is this marriage, age is out by two years though:

29th August 1915 Parish Church Haggerston, Hackney, London

Richard Charles Jones,23,packing case maker. 134 Weymouth Terrace. Father: Richard Charles Jones, carman.
Julia Clarissa Loake,23. 99 Mansfield Street, Father:Alfred Loake, tailor.

Witnesses:Alfred Loake and Rosina Durham.

[Elliebean54]

If there are living children surely it should be possible to get information from them about their mother and father?

Unfortunately I'm not in contact with them, and they are obviously very elderly now. I'm not even certain they are both still living, just being cautious because they were not that many years ago.

There is this marriage, age is out by two years though:

29th August 1915 Parish Church Haggerston, Hackney, London

Richard Charles Jones,23,packing case maker. 134 Weymouth Terrace. Father: Richard Charles Jones, carman.
Julia Clarissa Loake,23. 99 Mansfield Street, Father:Alfred Loake, tailor.

Witnesses:Alfred Loake and Rosina Durham.

Thank you, I'll check that one.
The mother's maiden name doesn't match either of the ones for the possible children's births (they were Eastwell and Hart). They need another look as well if that's the right one

[Milliepede]

The mother's maiden name doesn't match either of the ones for the possible children's births (they were Eastwell and Hart). They need another look as well if that's the right one

Is Violet Jones mother Eastwell or Hart?  When was she born just to double check the other births.

Is Poplar the right registration district?

Mustn't forget not all couples were married.

[Milliepede]

Richard Charles Jones,23,packing case maker. 134 Weymouth Terrace. Father: Richard Charles Jones, carman.
Julia Clarissa Loake,23. 99 Mansfield Street, Father:Alfred Loake, tailor.

Birth for Julia Clarissa Jones Sep 1916 MMN Loake