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Offline ShaunJ

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Re: Missing GRO record
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 17 February 18 08:41 GMT (UK) »
In the 1851 census

Lambeth Workhouse

Charles Sissons u 18 shoe maker born Lambeth

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Re: Missing GRO record
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 17 February 18 08:53 GMT (UK) »
1841 census

29 Belvedere Place, Southwark

Joshua Murrell 35 wire drawer
Charles Murrell 12
Richard Murrell  3
Joshua Murrell 1.5
Elizabeth Murrell  9
Mary Ann Sissons 10
John Walker 16 ap wire drawer
Ann Stansfield 33
Charles Sissons 8
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Re: Missing GRO record
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 17 February 18 08:58 GMT (UK) »
A DNA match from another researcher seems to indicate James Sissons and Ann as the parents of Charles, birth 1831. Without a marriage certificate difficult to prove. There could be a family link further back. Would a death certificate provide enough detail of parents?
Bird, Sissons, Stapleton, Bridle, Tyzack, Hunter

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Re: Missing GRO record
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 17 February 18 09:04 GMT (UK) »
A Death Certificate from England/Wales will not provide ANY information re parents or family :-\

The only name mentioned, apart from the deceased, is the informant.
And possibly a husband's name.
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)


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Re: Missing GRO record
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 17 February 18 09:06 GMT (UK) »

His first born child was Charles so I would have thought this baptism more likely:

St Saviour Southwark

4 August 1833

Charles born 27 May 1833 son of Charles Sissons, wire drawer, and Charlotte, abode St Georges

There is a burial  for Charles Sissons, 47, of Belvedere Place (same street as that 1851 census) on 14 MAy 1835 at St George's
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Re: Missing GRO record
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 17 February 18 09:09 GMT (UK) »
Charlotte Sissons, widow, married Joseph Murrell, widower at St Mary Newington on 5 June 1837
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Re: Missing GRO record
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 17 February 18 09:20 GMT (UK) »
Would a death certificate provide enough detail of parents?

You might find this website useful in showing what is and is not on English and Welsh certs.

http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/deaths.htm
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Re: Missing GRO record
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 17 February 18 10:13 GMT (UK) »
Mary Ann Sissons married Thomas Young at St Mary Lambeth on 27 May 1857. Banns - recorded in the same banns book as Charles Sissons and Jane Able in 1853 - had been read in January and again in April. Father Charles Sissons, deceased, wire drawer. Witnesses J L Gawler and Elizth Powell.
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Re: Missing GRO record
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 17 February 18 10:53 GMT (UK) »
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A DNA match from another researcher seems to indicate James Sissons and Ann as the parents of Charles, birth 1831. Without a marriage certificate difficult to prove. There could be a family link further back.

Possibly James and Charles (the one that died in 1835 aged 47 ) were brothers.

James Sissons was also a wire drawer.  This looks like the family in 1841, but there is no son Charles present:

HO107/1085/2 Folio 21, page 33;  Harrow Street, St George's Southwark

James Sissons  60 wire drawer (The surname is transcribed on Ancestry as Jessam.)
Ann  54
James 37 wire drawer
Letty 40


Address and surname confirmed by marriage record of daughter Matilda Sissons in 1840.
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