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Offline NicolaasMars

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Offspring of John Dempsey and Elizabeth Reilly, 1878-1893 Laois/Wexford
« on: Thursday 08 February 18 13:44 GMT (UK) »
John Dempsey [Jr] (RC bapt. 3 Dec 1848 Graiguecullen, Co. Carlow; parents John Dempsey [Sr] and Mary Whelen)
marries on 9 March 1886 in the RC Chapel of Mayo, Ballickmoyler, Co. Laois, with
Elizabeth Reilly (RC bapt. 16 Jan 1853 Parish Mayo; parents Thomas Reilly and Margaret Brennan.

I am at a loss to interpret the offspring I find of John [Jr] and Elizabeth. I found the following children, in the birth certificates or the census 1901:

Mary  21 May 1878
Mary  17 Oct 1881
Patrick  10 Dec 1884
Nicholas circa 1887 (census; birth certificate not found)
Anne  4 Jul 1887
Thomas  24 Dec 1891
Kate circa 1894 (census; birth certificate not found)
Joseph 18 Dec 1893, died 26 Feb 1894.

In all the birth certificates, the name of the mother is given as Elizabeth (or Eliza) BRENNAN, rather than Reilly. Brennan is the maiden name of Elizabeth's mother.

I noticed also that the date of marriage falls in the middle of the period of birth of the children above. I do not understand what all this means. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

 

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Re: Offspring of John Dempsey and Elizabeth Reilly, 1878-1893 Laois/Wexford
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 08 February 18 14:23 GMT (UK) »
If you post Links to the Certs you found then people might spot some discrepencies.
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Re: Offspring of John Dempsey and Elizabeth Reilly, 1878-1893 Laois/Wexford
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 08 February 18 14:38 GMT (UK) »
You haven't given any links to the certs or Census so it's difficult to attempt an answer.

Marriage of John Dempsey to Eliza Reiley in Queens County/Laois 1886
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10829/5949754.pdf
Trying to find them in the Census
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Re: Offspring of John Dempsey and Elizabeth Reilly, 1878-1893 Laois/Wexford
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 08 February 18 14:45 GMT (UK) »
As you also have Wexford in the title, are you mixing up to different couples
John Dempsey and Elizabeth Brennan marriage in Wexford 1873
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11290/8142126.pdf

I can't see any Dempsey from Queens County living in Wexford in either Census
and of the Dempseys from Carlow none of them are John.
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Re: Offspring of John Dempsey and Elizabeth Reilly, 1878-1893 Laois/Wexford
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 08 February 18 15:11 GMT (UK) »
This is the birth of Thomas Dempsey 24 Dec 1891, scratch that his birth is 24 Oct 1891
so his sister Anne 4 July 1887
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02546/1942453.pdf
address is Ballydoyle which appears to be this family
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Mayglass/Ballydoyle/1801449/
both parents are from Wexford.
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Re: Offspring of John Dempsey and Elizabeth Reilly, 1878-1893 Laois/Wexford
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 08 February 18 17:03 GMT (UK) »
First, thank you for your kind and quick help! (I am a Dutchman, trying to piece together the ancestry of my British daughter-in-law; not easy.)

I now understand that I attributed the children I mentioned to the wrong John Dempsey. Thank you for finding the real parents of those poor children. I got confused because this couple was/is the only John Dempsey married to an Eliza(beth) I could find in the census of 1901 and 1911. I was fortified in my wrong path because I had found the death of an Elizabeth Dempsey in 1908, and the 1901 census had the couple while the 1911 census shows John Dempsey a widower.

Now knowing that I was on the wrong path, I looked again and found in the 1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Mountmellick_Rural/Avoley/1650174/ an Elizabeth Dempsey as a widow with two children. However, I so far failed to find the birth certificates of the two children mentioned there, so I do not yet know of this is "my" Elizabeth Dempsey née Reilly. And although the John Dempsey on the last line of https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05820/4647953.pdf seems a possible candidate for his death, the name of his widow is not given, so I cannot be certain that this is "my" John Dempsey. (You see that I am more careful now, thanks to your advice.)

If anyone is able to help me further to find the correct couple, I would be very glad.

Two minor remarks:
-I did not know how to add the links to the census or birth records, and had to ask someone more knowledgeable to explain this (hope the links above work!).
-I do not understand Sinann's remark: "This is the birth of Thomas Dempsey 24 Dec 1891, scratch that his birth is 24 Oct 1891 so his sister Anne 4 July 1887"

Thanks again,

Nicolaas

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Re: Offspring of John Dempsey and Elizabeth Reilly, 1878-1893 Laois/Wexford
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 08 February 18 17:29 GMT (UK) »
On your list you have a Thomas Born 24 Dec 1891, I could only find a Thomas on the 24 Oct 1891 to John Dempsey and Elizabeth Brennan. Not sure if you made an error on the month or if I didn't find the correct Thomas.

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I'm guessing your daughter in laws grandfather?
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Re: Offspring of John Dempsey and Elizabeth Reilly, 1878-1893 Laois/Wexford
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 08 February 18 17:48 GMT (UK) »
 Birth results for Dempsey of Carlow Registration District from 1886 to 1899

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Re: Offspring of John Dempsey and Elizabeth Reilly, 1878-1893 Laois/Wexford
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 08 February 18 18:06 GMT (UK) »
I did look earlier for children of Dempsey/Reilly but could not see any in Carlow reg district.

Edited, forgot the 'not'  :P
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