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Re: May Barcham...Bareham...Burcham...Barham...?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 17 February 18 06:54 GMT (UK) »
the only way I'm gonna be able to sort out which children are theirs is to order all 21 birth certificates?  :-\

The 1911 census for the family states they had a total of 17 children, of which only ten were still living.
I think you should turn over every stone (baptisms, burials, etc) before resorting to buying that many birth certificates!

You betcha I will bbart  ;D ;D

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Re: May Barcham...Bareham...Burcham...Barham...?
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 17 February 18 07:20 GMT (UK) »
I haven't dug into the George William New on your list yet, but he has a few red flags as to being one of William and May's.

First, having no mothers maiden name on GRO is usually a sign of an out of wedlock marriage, so the New Surname would be the mother's maiden name.  Secondly, they (William and May) had four children baptised all baptised in 1886 over a couple days, and he wasn't included although age-wise, he was between the youngest and oldest baptised (unless of course, he was no longer living).

I have not looked to see if he is on the censuses with them, but if he is, he could be an illegitimate nephew?

The batch of baptisms:
On two separate days in March 1886, William and May, platelayer, 20 Mary Place, had four children baptised at St Clements, Notting Hill. 

Arthur bap. on Mar 24, born 10 Dec 1885
Ethel, bap. on Mar 24, born 15 Mar 1883

Lily, bap Mar 28, born 10 May 1884
William Herbert, bap Mar 28, born 07 Sept 1881


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Re: May Barcham...Bareham...Burcham...Barham...?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 17 February 18 07:24 GMT (UK) »
A bit off  the subject but Mary Anns Fathers info;

GEORGE Bareham Baptised 22 Dec 1833, St James, Little Clacton
Parents GEORGE/SUSAN
Abode Lt Clacton, Father a Labourer
Siblings Baptisms;
SUSANNA Barehaam 26 Jun 1822, buried 20 Sep 1822 age 3mths
MARY ANN Bareham 17 Feb 1827
EMMA Bareham 14 Oct 1832
CHARLES Bareham 06 Sep 1835
PHOEBE Bareham 09 Jul 1839
(just had a quick look may be other children)

As Phoebe was Bapt July 1839 possible GRO Birth Reg;
BARCHAM, PHOEBE, Mothers mn   SCOFFIELD****
GRO Reference: 1839  M Quarter in TENDRING  Volume 12  Page 240
Or;
BARCHAM, PHOEBE , Mothers mn BARNARD****
GRO Reference: 1839  S Quarter in TENDRING  Volume 12  Page 249

Death Reg GRO;
BEARHAM, GEORGE, age 41*****
GRO Reference: 1840  D Quarter in TENDRING  Volume 12  Page 187
(FreeREG has Burial 30 Sep 1840)

1851 Census Susan is a Widow;
Susan Bareham, 50, Head, Widow, Ag labs Widow, born Lavenham, Suffolk
Phoebe Bareham, 11, Daug

1841 in Little Clacton;
Susan Barham, 42
Susanna Barham, 11
Emma Barham, 9
GEORGE Barham, 7****
Charles Barham, 5
Phoebe Barham, 2

Trish :)

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Re: May Barcham...Bareham...Burcham...Barham...?
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 17 February 18 07:36 GMT (UK) »
Marriage of George BAREHAM to Susan SCOFFIELD 16 Oct 1821 St James Little Clacton, is on FreeREG
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Re: May Barcham...Bareham...Burcham...Barham...?
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 17 February 18 07:47 GMT (UK) »
The marriage certificate that you have, 1880, can you please list all the information about William, and about May, and their fathers, also addresses and occupations.....also witnesses names, and the Church.

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Re: May Barcham...Bareham...Burcham...Barham...?
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 17 February 18 08:01 GMT (UK) »
Aha!  I found one that can be removed...

The last one on your spreadsheet, Albert John R, born kensington 1901.  His baptism puts his father as Albert New and mother Hannah.   Albert New married Hannah BURNHAM in 1884 (from freebmd).

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Re: May Barcham...Bareham...Burcham...Barham...?
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 17 February 18 08:23 GMT (UK) »
There are 13 baptisms on Ancestry with parents William & May.  Link below

https://tinyurl.com/y9soh75t

Shortened as it was way too long to put on here.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: May Barcham...Bareham...Burcham...Barham...?
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 17 February 18 17:05 GMT (UK) »
I haven't dug into the George William New on your list yet, but he has a few red flags as to being one of William and May's.

First, having no mothers maiden name on GRO is usually a sign of an out of wedlock marriage, so the New Surname would be the mother's maiden name.  Secondly, they (William and May) had four children baptised all baptised in 1886 over a couple days, and he wasn't included although age-wise, he was between the youngest and oldest baptised (unless of course, he was no longer living).

I have not looked to see if he is on the censuses with them, but if he is, he could be an illegitimate nephew?

The batch of baptisms:
On two separate days in March 1886, William and May, platelayer, 20 Mary Place, had four children baptised at St Clements, Notting Hill. 

Arthur bap. on Mar 24, born 10 Dec 1885
Ethel, bap. on Mar 24, born 15 Mar 1883

Lily, bap Mar 28, born 10 May 1884
William Herbert, bap Mar 28, born 07 Sept 1881

Thanks for these  ;D I'm not sure about George William as although he does 'fit in' nicely as you said, his reg date is 1882 and they were married in 1880. He isn't on any censuses. Actually there were only 9 children in total listed on the 1891-1911 censuses.

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Re: May Barcham...Bareham...Burcham...Barham...?
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 17 February 18 17:05 GMT (UK) »
Marriage of George BAREHAM to Susan SCOFFIELD 16 Oct 1821 St James Little Clacton, is on FreeREG

Thanks very much trish  ;D