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Elusive Arthur
« on: Friday 23 February 18 21:56 GMT (UK) »
Help or advice please.
 
I have been researching tracing my Great Grandfather Arthur Oakes. I have traced the following and confirmed with family members these are correct.

1911 Census - Allington, Rossett, Denbighshire, Wales. Born 1869 London, London
1904 Marrriage - Chester, Cheshire, England to Ellen Price
1901 Census - Hoylake Cum West Kirby, Cheshire, England. Born 1870 London
1939 Register &  Death record tie up.

However this has been a family mystery how Arthur born in London ended up in the
North West/North Wales. I am unable to locate any census records for Arthur Oakes, Oake, Oates, Oat etc,etc for the 1871, 1881 & 1891 Census's or birth record.

Any pointers in my next steps of research would be much appreciated.

Thanks

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Re: Elusive Arthur
« Reply #1 on: Friday 23 February 18 22:00 GMT (UK) »
And what are the details of the marriage please
Gunning County Down,Kneale Isle of Man,Riddle Tynemouth,Bibby Kendal/Bradford,Colenso Penzance/Barrow-in-Furness,Steele Corney Fell,Chapman Ely,Dawes Alfreton,Blamire Westmoreland and Ulverston
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Re: Elusive Arthur
« Reply #2 on: Friday 23 February 18 22:02 GMT (UK) »
GRO,
Arthur Oakes,birth registered Camberwell,mother Chambers 1869
Arthur Oakes,birth registered Holbeck,mother Hargreaves 1868
Gunning County Down,Kneale Isle of Man,Riddle Tynemouth,Bibby Kendal/Bradford,Colenso Penzance/Barrow-in-Furness,Steele Corney Fell,Chapman Ely,Dawes Alfreton,Blamire Westmoreland and Ulverston
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Re: Elusive Arthur
« Reply #3 on: Friday 23 February 18 22:03 GMT (UK) »
have you ruled out these births

Jun 1869 Camberwell Arthur Oakes mothers name Chambers

Jun 1869 Poplar Union Arthur Charles Oakes mothers name Hubbard

Who is Arthur with in the 1901 census you have found?
Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
Burroughs - Arlingham Glos
Pick - Frocester Glos

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Re: Elusive Arthur
« Reply #4 on: Friday 23 February 18 22:09 GMT (UK) »
In 1881 there's an Arthur born 1870 London likely the one born Camberwell

Henry Oakes 41
Fanny 40
Arthur 11
Grace 2
Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
Burroughs - Arlingham Glos
Pick - Frocester Glos

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Re: Elusive Arthur
« Reply #5 on: Friday 23 February 18 22:39 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat  :)

You say you have him in the 1939 Register - so what is his exact birthdate according to that record?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Elusive Arthur
« Reply #6 on: Friday 23 February 18 22:48 GMT (UK) »
Looks as though his birthdate may be 31 October 1869.

Ellen Oakes died Wrexham Dec qtr 1933 aged 58.

Arthur Oakes died Wrexham Sep qtr 1945 aged 76.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Elusive Arthur
« Reply #7 on: Friday 23 February 18 22:59 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Milliepede on Friday 23 February 18 22:09 GMT (UK)
In 1881 there's an Arthur born 1870 London likely the one born Camberwell

Henry Oakes 41
Fanny 40
Arthur 11
Grace 2

This Arthur (son of Henry, born Peckham/Camberwell) married Rose Mary Bowbrick in Peckham in 1899 and seems to have stayed with her.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Elusive Arthur
« Reply #8 on: Friday 23 February 18 23:48 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: davidmorgan68 on Friday 23 February 18 21:56 GMT (UK)
I am unable to locate any census records for Arthur Oakes, Oake, Oates, Oat etc,etc for the 1871, 1881 & 1891 Census's or birth record.

Do you know his father's name?  It might help when digging through censuses.

If not, perhaps you should order the relatively inexpensive pdf of his marriage, which should have a father's name on it. (Paper copies cost more).

You would need the following info to order from the GRO:

Name:    Arthur Oakes
Registration Year:    1904
Registration Quarter:    Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district:    Chester
Volume:    8a
Page:    743

The GRO is free to sign up to, which you would need to do to order, and is at https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

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