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Goodwin Family Fermanagh.Parents Sarah & John
« on: Sunday 25 February 18 20:15 GMT (UK) »
Looking for any information about a large family of Goodwins in the Fermanagh area. Not all of the children were alive at the same time. Interested to know if any members of the family still live in the area. Younger members of the family were born around 1916 - 1920. Annie Goodwin, born in 1919, moved to London in the 1940s with some of her siblings.

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Re: Goodwin Family Fermanagh.Parents Sarah & John
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 25 February 18 20:34 GMT (UK) »
Start with finding them in 1901 and 1911 census records-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
Then search for vital records (you won't get births less than 100 years old)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Goodwin Family Fermanagh.Parents Sarah & John
« Reply #2 on: Monday 22 June 20 18:06 BST (UK) »
Looking for any information about a large family of Goodwins in the Fermanagh area. Not all of the children were alive at the same time. Interested to know if any members of the family still live in the area. Younger members of the family were born around 1916 - 1920. Annie Goodwin, born in 1919, moved to London in the 1940s with some of her siblings.

Hi
Just happened on your posting.

Are you sure about Annie's YOB? No one of that name registered in 1919 or 1920 in Fermanagh.
Do you have names of any siblings?

regards
Michael

P.S. Not really sure what you mean by "Not all of the children were alive at the same time". Taken literally, and barring a super-multiple birth,  this would describe every family :)

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Re: Goodwin Family Fermanagh.Parents Sarah & John
« Reply #3 on: Monday 22 June 20 23:55 BST (UK) »
GRONI shows a birth for Annie Goodwin on 15 March 1919, registered at Lisnaskea, the transcript I've seen confirms that she was the daughter of John Goodwin and Sarah Lynch of Furnish, which is just within the county border of Fermanagh:

https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/tirkennedy/enniskillen/furnish/

John Goodwin and Sarah Lynch lived in various townlands just north of Fivemiletown, most fall into the Tyrone side of the border with County Fermanagh, here was the family in 1901 and 1911 at Edergole and Aghingowly respectively:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Cole/Edergole/1726908/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Cole/Aghingowly/856619/

https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/clogher/clogher/edergole/

https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/clogher/clogher/aghingowly/

From the birth records of their various children I can see that John and Sarah also lived in Cole and Rahoran:

https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/clogher/clogher/cole/

https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/clogher/clogher/rahoran/



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Re: Goodwin Family Fermanagh.Parents Sarah & John
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 23 June 20 13:29 BST (UK) »

... I'm struggling to find a marriage for this couple, the 1911 census suggests c. 1891.
 

The following may sound bizarre to anyone who hasn't yet encountered this phenomenon, but after struggling to find a marriage c. 1891 for John Goodwin and Sarah Lynch (based on the 1911 census return information) and indeed a birth c. 1892 for their oldest child Charles Goodwin (based on the 1901 census return information), I tried looking for John McGuigan and Charles McGuigan.

McGuigan and Goodwin weren't substitutes for each other as a general rule, but there is precedent for it in a number of instances, indeed sufficient precedent for Bill Macafee to mention it in the following document:
http://www.billmacafee.com/databases/spellingsurnamestownlands.htm

Anyhow, it appears that this is exactly what happened here, with the marriage taking place on 12 November 1890 between John McGuigan and Sarah Lynch, it took place in St. Mary's RC Church in Fivemiletown, John was recorded as a 19 year old servant, the son of James McGuigan (deceased), a labourer, Sarah was recorded as a 17 year old servant, the daughter of John Lynch, a farmer, both were living in the townland of Bolies:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1890/10718/5907332.pdf

Bolies is right on the money location-wise:
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/clogher/clogher/bolies/

And so it was also the case with their son Charles, whose birth at Beigh on 9 September 1891 was registered under the surname Goodwin but later changed to McGuigan:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02377/1886980.pdf

'Beigh' was likely Beigh Glebe:
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/clogher/clogher/beigh-glebe/

Significantly, note the comment at the left of the above 1891 birth registration, namely:

'... cols 5 and 6 for "Goodwin" read "McGuigan" corrected on the 14th July 1939 by me JF McCrea Supt. Registrar on production of a Statutory Declaration made by John McGuigan Father'.

So John married Sarah as a McGuigan, their children were all initially registered as Goodwin (I think I also saw a 'Gowden' spelling for one of them), the 1901/1911 census returns were completed as Goodwin, and John then attended the Registrar's Office many years later in 1939 to alter the surname in Charles' birth registration to McGuigan. 


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Re: Goodwin Family Fermanagh.Parents Sarah & John
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 23 June 20 13:47 BST (UK) »
Into more speculative territory now, but the following birth at Tullyquin for parents John Lynch and Catherine McCann has to be a possibility for the Sarah Lynch who married John Goodwin / McGuigan in 1890:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03147/2154117.pdf

Tullyquin:
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/clogher/clogher/tullyquin/

Several other children were born to this couple, the later ones at 'Beigh'.

The family in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Aghintain/Beigh_Glebe/1726563/


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Re: Goodwin Family Fermanagh.Parents Sarah & John
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 23 June 20 20:38 BST (UK) »

I tried looking for ...McGuigan


That's great work Gaffy.

I've heard of the McGuigan/Goodwin connection but never encountered this among my Goodwin's (aka Gudden, Goodin, Godin) in South Fermanagh. Discovering a specific re-registration is very informative. I'm guessing this surname association was peculiar to a single family rather than a more widespread practise within the 'clan'. 

Still can't see Annie (1919) in GRO or GRONI searches - I'm guessing not yet updated under 100 year rule.

Good luck with your searching.

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Re: Goodwin Family Fermanagh.Parents Sarah & John
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 23 June 20 20:52 BST (UK) »
Thank you all so much for your help.We were in Fermanagh and Tyrone last year and were confused by the Goodwin, McGuigan names.I
Annie was 1child of 17/19 children, some of whom sadly died in infancy.She was The youngest and hardly ever spoke to her own children about her life as a child.
The archivist in Enniskillen library said he was from  Goodwin/ McGuigan family too.
Now trying to find death certificates for Sarah and John.
Definitely going to keep on searching.Once again thanks for your help.