Is Jacques the same as James ?

[davidqueneherve]

Hello,

I recently discovered that my ancestress Jeanne PARIS was the daughter of Jacques PARIS and Françoise RUFFIEUX (see here http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=775490.0).

What would be the English version of their names ? Jacob and Frances PARIS or James and Frances PARIS ?

Looking for the baptism record of Jane PARIS on Familysearch, I found this one

Jane Paris

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
baptism : 31 october 1751
SHOBDON, HEREFORD, ENGLAND
father : James Paris
mother: Frances

There is also

Frances in 1747 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NDW4-FNL
SHOBDON,HEREFORD,ENGLAND
Elisabeth in 1749 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5SF-9ZZ
SAINT ANNE SOHO,WESTMINSTER,LONDON,ENGLAND
John in 1754 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NDW4-FNL
ST. JAMES', WESTMINSTER, MIDDLESEX, ENGLAND

The three of them are children of a James PARIS and his wife Frances. Not sure it's one single family yet.

What do you think ?

David

[BumbleB]

Mr Wiki says James and I would agree with him. 

[Mart 'n' Al]

I don't really think that you can reliably translate names. There are rules in France regarding what are acceptable names. In England things are a lot more liberal. The French name Jacques could be considered to be Jack in England.

Martin

[JohninSussex]

Both James and Jacob are English forms of Jacobus in Latin.  For example the Jacobites were followers of King James.

I have a baptism in my tree of Julia Sicard, her father's name is given as John Jacob which I suspect is actually Jean-Jacques.

[davidqueneherve]

Thank you a lot for. I am confused. I thought I had already thanked you for your answers and when I came back to tell you that his real name was James PARIS, I realized I haven't. Sorry about that. His wife was Frances BUFFIEUX according to their marriage record. Thanks to the London Westminster & Middlesex History Society, I know now that they got married on January 11th, 1748 in London (Fleet Register of clandestine marriages). He was a bachelor and a gentleman servant. She was a spinster. BUFFIEUX and RUFFIEUX are family names found from both sides of the French-Swiss border. BUFFIEUX must be a rather rare name in London but I am not sure it's the correct spelling. Written BOUFFIEUX or BOUFFIAUX or BOUFFIOUX it's more a family name found in Belgium.

[Maiden Stone]

Re reply #4 There were no standard spellings of surnames or anything else in 1748. If English clergy and officials couldn't agree on spellings of English names they had no chance with foreign ones. I've seen English surnames spelled 3 different ways in a few lines in a document. Yesterday I found 20+ variants of an Irish surname in English parish registers and BMDS in a county. 

[carol8353]

I don't really think that you can reliably translate names. There are rules in France regarding what are acceptable names. In England things are a lot more liberal. The French name Jacques could be considered to be Jack in England.

Martin

And Jack is often a pet name for someone called John.

[Skoosh]

"Frere Jaques!" 

Skoosh.

[Annette7]

There is only one marriage between a James Paris and a Frances and that is the one you mention in 1748.  On the marriage entry James is shown of the parish of St. Ann, Soho (Westminster).

Surely the baptisms below must relate to them:

Frances bp.25/10/1747 Shobdon, Herefordshire (I realise this is 3 months before the marriage)
Elizabeth bp.26/4/1749 St. Ann, Soho, Westminster
Jane bp.31/10/1751 Shobdon, Herefordshire
John bp.5/2/1754 St. James, Westminster

No other Paris baptisms in Shobdon and includes the 'Jane' you seek.  James' occupation would no doubt involve travelling about - the 'gentleman' he worked for could have had his family estate in Shobdon.

Annette