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Re: Jane Stone 1841 (Llanelly) - 1925 (Gloucester, Ohio)
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 18 March 18 21:47 GMT (UK) »
A further thought, as a follow on from the previous post, is that the John Thomas (1865) with John C Thomas and Jane Thomas (Michael nee Stone) in the 1880 census  is actually John Michael (1864). Seems he is known as John Michael in later US censuses according to LDS. This would make more sense. Still doesn’t explain why Jane’s first husband Henry Michael suddenly left for America soon after the birth their 3rd child Hannah in 1866 taking only their first child Mary Ann with him. Pure speculation. but could be that discovered John And Hannah Michael were actually not his and therefore why he left them behind and why they “divorced”?

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Re: Jane Stone 1841 (Llanelly) - 1925 (Gloucester, Ohio)
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 18 March 18 22:14 GMT (UK) »
Denham [Hertford & London], Carter [Somerset], Francis, Badger [Pembroke, Glamorgan]

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Re: Jane Stone 1841 (Llanelly) - 1925 (Gloucester, Ohio)
« Reply #11 on: Monday 19 March 18 13:55 GMT (UK) »
Attached is what looks to be Jane Stone (as Michael) and her son John in the 1871 census living at 28 Forge Row Llanelly. No sign of John C Thomas or other children attributed to her and John C Thomas in the 1880 US census.

Therefore my current thoughts is that perhaps John C Thomas was also married before and therefore David (born 1867), William (born 1870) with him and Jane in the 1880 US census are children from this earlier marriage. There is also John Thomas born 1864, he could also be from this earlier marriage or John Michael as he definitely ends up in America, unless anyone can find him listed elsewhere in the 1880 US, Ohio or Utah census. Harriet Thomas born 1872

Therefore still need to find John C. Thomas and these earlier children in Carmarthenshire (born Wales). If anyone can, this would be a great help in unraveling things

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Re: Jane Stone 1841 (Llanelly) - 1925 (Gloucester, Ohio)
« Reply #12 on: Monday 19 March 18 14:45 GMT (UK) »
What a great find Roy.  And I think you are probably correct in that this is a mixed family and that the David & William are not Jane's
Denham [Hertford & London], Carter [Somerset], Francis, Badger [Pembroke, Glamorgan]


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Re: Jane Stone 1841 (Llanelly) - 1925 (Gloucester, Ohio)
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 20 March 18 21:12 GMT (UK) »
Been trying to piece together what is correct about Jane Stone (my 3rd great aunt) and her first husband Henry Michael and their children from my information, information on LDS and information that others have kindly researched as part of this post.

This is part 1

I would welcome any thoughts or criticisms of the below and also any extra information. Still not 100% convinced the 1880 Ohio census attributed to Jane is her, so if anyone can find a better match would love to hear from you. If it is her, then birth or death records for Mary Thomas (circa 1875) and Harriet Thomas (circa 1872-1874) daughter of John C. Thomas and Jane Stone would confirm this. Can anyone help? A census entry for Henry Michael in 1890 would also help tie up his information.
So:
Jane Stone (20, Spinster, Wind Street) father Charles Stone, Farmer, married Henry Michael (21, Batchelor, Fireman, Forge), father John Michael, Collier (FindmyPast, Carmarthenshire Parish Records)

They had 3 children Mary Ann (MICHAEL, MARY ANN (STONE) GRO Reference: 1862 M Quarter in LLANELLY Volume 11A Page 547), John (MICHAEL, JOHN (STONE) GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in LLANELLY Volume 11A Page 583) and Hannah (MICHAEL, HANNAH (STONE) GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in LLANELLY Volume 11A Page 632) who died in 1870 age 4 (MICHAEL, HANNAH age 4 GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in LLANELLY Volume 11A Page 347)

Henry Michael emigrates to America and end up in Utah together with their daughter Mary Ann. Can find no ship passenger lists with them on but according to Utah census records this was around 1866. Michael first appears in the 1870 Utah Census (as Henry Michel) with daughter Mary A. (age 9), his second wife Ruth Williams (born 1847) and 2 further children Margaret (born 1868 Utah) and Francis born (1879 Utah) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XHRQ-TNT?i=5&cc=1438024

Ruth dies 29Sep1872 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F85N-93D?from=lynx1&treeref=KWVQ-GJ4

(Why Henry leaves Hannah and John, emigrates to America soon after the birth of their 3rd child and then quickly remarries is unknown).

1880 Utah census shows him with 3rd wife Sarah Jones (born 1837 S. Wales) and 2 children Sarah (born 1875 Utah) and Hannah (born 1878 Utah) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9YBG-9MMB?i=53&cc=1417683

Sarah dies 27Jun1908 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-DX3L-QT?i=21&cc=1459704

No record for Henry in 1890 but in 1900 shows him with wife Sarah and sons Henry (1872) David (1881) and Edward (1884). This record states he emigrated in 1866.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DZ2Q-8BK?i=20&cc=1325221
This ties in with Utah Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel Database, 1847-1868 - Henry Michael - born 15 May 1839 - departed 10 July 1866 - arrived  29 August 1866 - Pioneer Company Thomas E. Ricks Company. (Death Date:   28 Mar 1924)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK9B-CGT6

and this for his daughter Mary Ann Michael

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22mary%20a%22~%20%2Bsurname%3Amichael~&collection_id=2517340

His birth year in the above is wrong s/be 1841 as confirmed by (MICHAEL, HENRY (DAVIES)  GRO Reference: 1841  June Quarter in LLANELLY  Volume 26  Page 599)

In 1910 was widowed living with just with son Edward (born 1885 “Wales”) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9YBF-PS?i=14&cc=1727033
In 1920 was again just with son Edward https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRFC-PVQ?cc=1488411

Mary Ann marries Isaac B Hatch and her death record 16 Feb 1845 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DYQ3-L19?i=7&cc=1747615 confirms her parents as Henry Michael and Jane Stone with a birth date of 01 Jan 1862. So this all fits nicely, couple with the fact that on Ancestry DNA I am a good 4-6th cousin match with 1 of her descendents (sent email but no reply)

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Re: Jane Stone 1841 (Llanelly) - 1925 (Gloucester, Ohio)
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 20 March 18 21:14 GMT (UK) »
Part 2

Jane Stone, we know,  does not leave the UK until after 1871 as her and her son John are still living at Forge Street, Llanelly https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V55S-VSW . There is no sign of a John Thomas, who she later marries, and associated children. Therefore, it looks like she did not meet John until after 1871 possibly in Llanelly or possibly not until she emigrated to the US. Unlike her first husband Henry Michael she seems to end up in Ohio rather than Utah.

That her son John emigrated is confirmed by his death entry https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DC67-7P8?i=1343&cc=1307272
where his father is listed as Henry Michael and mother as “unknown’ Stone. His birth year is given as 1866, but should be 1864.

A Jane Stone (presume is her) had a son Thomas with John C. Thomas on 03 Sep 1875 in Ohio    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9R23-97YW?i=154&cc=1932106 . Presumably he dies young as there is another Thomas Thomas born to them on 17 feb 1877   https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XXCS-GMP?from=lynx1&treeref=KCFM-QVN 

Plus a Lizzie Thomas

Name:      Lizzie Thomas
Gender:   Female
Race:   White
Birth Date:   8 Oct 1878
Birth Place:   Coal, Perry, Ohio
Father:   John Thomas
Mother:   Jane Stone

Other have attributed this 1900 census entry as Jane and Thomas https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6SG3-BFM?i=20&cc=1325221 however I think this is wrong, not least of which is the fact is that if states Jane Emigrated in 1859, whereas it was after 1871. This is the more likely entry as found by RayDen

1900 census Still in Trimble Ohio, shows:

Household Members:   
Name                      Age
Jane Thomas              57  Born Wales, divorced
Alvira Thomas              18  Born Ohio, Daughter
Harriett Lawrence     26  Born Wales, daughter, divorced
Velma Lawrence                6  born Ohio, granddaughter

Shows Jane emigrating 1874, 10 children, 5 still alive

Her emigrating in 1874 ties in with the fact we know she was still living in Wales in 1871.

This also seems to be her in 1910

The findagrave entry for Mary Ann Michael who married Hatch she has a sibling Mary Thomas Zimmer, and there is a 1910 census in Trimble Athens Ohio which has the following:

Household Members:   
Name                      Age
Jane Thomas              68  Born Wales, Widow
Robert Zimmer              17  Born Ohio, Grandson
Thelma Lawrence      15  Born Ohio, Granddaughter (Thelma = Velma in 1900?)
John Smith              60  Born England, Boarder

The record shows Jane arriving US 1874, having 10 children of only 2 still alive

2 alive corresponds with the below death entry for her. Amazingly the 2 children alive look to be those from her marriage to Henry Michael.

FUNERAL THURSDAY

GLOUSTER, May 5--The funeral of Mrs. Jane Thomas, an account of whose death was given Monday, will be held at 2 o'clock Thursday afternoon at Calvary Baptist church, conducted by C.B. Frampton, pastor of the Church of Christ. Burial will be made in the Glouster cemetery.

Mrs. Thomas leaves two children. A son, John Michael, resides at Chauncey, and a daughter resides in Utah. She also leaves several grandchildren.

The Athens Messenger
Tuesday, May 5, 1925

The 1880 census attributed to her is

Name:   John Thomas
Age:   38
Birth Date:   Abt 1842
Birthplace:   Wales
Home in 1880:   New Straightsville, Perry, Ohio, USA
Dwelling Number:   33
Race:   White
Gender:   Male
Relation to Head of House:   Self (Head)
Marital Status:   Married
Spouse's Name:   Jane Thomas
Father's Birthplace:   Wales
Mother's Birthplace:   Wales
Occupation:   Coal Miner
Cannot Read:   Yes
Cannot Write:   Yes
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name           Age
John Thomas   38   Born Wales
Jane Thomas   38   Born Wales
John Thomas   16   Born Wales
David Thomas   13   Born Wales
William Thomas   11   Born Wales
Harriet Thomas   8     Born Wales
Mary Thomas   5     Born Ohio    1875 - 1 year after the 1874 immigration
Thomas Thomas   3     Born Ohio

This fits reasonably well. Though there is no mention of Jane’s son John Michael, though he could be the John “Thomas” age 16 mentioned above. David and William I don’t think are her children as they are born pre 1871  and there is no mention of them being with her in the 1871 UK census. Therefore, I think these are from a previous marriage of John Thomas. Harriet (born 1872) maybe hers and could be the Harriett Lawrence (born 1874), living with Jane, as daughter in the 1874 census. Mary Thomas (1875) and Thomas (1877) are most likely her’s and Thomas therefore is probably the second Thomas Thomas mentioned previously. Though Mary Thomas born 1875 clashes with the first Thomas Thomas of Jane’s born 03 Sep 1875, though Mary could have actually been born 1874.

Therefore of her 10 children we have possibly accounted for 6:  Mary Ann Michael (1862, Wales), John Michael (1864, Wales), Hannah Michael (1866, Wales), Mary Thomas (1875), Thomas Thomas (1875) and Thomas Thomas (1877).


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Re: Jane Stone 1841 (Llanelly) - 1925 (Gloucester, Ohio)
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 20 March 18 21:30 GMT (UK) »
Roy, one of the big stumbling blocks with the USA is that there is no 1890 census, all (or most) lost in a fire in 1921.  Some states have a 1895 census but not all and not as far as I am aware Ohio or Utah.
Denham [Hertford & London], Carter [Somerset], Francis, Badger [Pembroke, Glamorgan]

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Re: Jane Stone 1841 (Llanelly) - 1925 (Gloucester, Ohio)
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 20 March 18 22:27 GMT (UK) »
Ah!!! Thanks

In the interim I have found the LDS searchable Ohio birth records. Like you I have only found 3 attributed to Jane Stone, so not sure where the others are.

Think I have may have found an indirect link that Mary Thomas is the daughter of Jane Stone. In 1910 you found a reference to grandson Rober Zimmer and I think I have found his birth on 3rd Oct 1892, parents Max Zimmer and Mary Thomas https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRYW-VN7?i=170&cc=1932106


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Re: Jane Stone 1841 (Llanelly) - 1925 (Gloucester, Ohio)
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 20 March 18 22:41 GMT (UK) »
It also looks likes potential sisters Mary Thomas and Harriet Thomas and therefore daughters of Jane,  married Max Zimmer and John Lawrence on the same day, 18 Dec 1891

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-913N-63?i=309&cc=1614804