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Judith and William Kelly - Queens County
« on: Wednesday 21 March 18 03:17 GMT (UK) »
I am trying to find out more info about Judith and William Kelly transported to Tasmania.
William Kelly in 1843. Judith in 1847 - i know she was onboard the Arabian and she had some children with her. I would like to know what they were convicted of. I believe they came from Queens County - -thanks

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Re: Judith and William Kelly - Queens County
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 21 March 18 12:10 GMT (UK) »
there's a 27 yr old  Judith Kelly,Queen's Co convicted of assault 22nd Oct 1845, Transportation 7yrs
http://www.findingaids.nationalarchives.ie/index.php?simpleSearchSbm=true&searchDescTxt=judith+kelly&simpleSearchSbm=Search#searchfocus

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Re: Judith and William Kelly - Queens County
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 22 March 18 07:59 GMT (UK) »
Tasmanian convict records from the Names Index -
 https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/

Judith Kelly per Arabian arrived 25 February 1847, 7 years for stealing potatoes. police number: 298

Conduct record - http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON41-1-12,156,79,F,60
Indent (2 pages) - http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON15-1-4,374,64,F,60

3 children onboard
Husband William Kelly transpd per Emily to this colony
B(brothers) Paul? Wilm Jas John
S(sisters) Ann Mary Cath? Eliza


William Kelly per Emily (2) arrived 30 October 1844, 7 years for stealing wheat. police number: 14318

Conduct record - http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON33-1-60,212,99,F,60
Indent (2 pages) - http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON14-1-29,325,44,F,52

W(wife) Judy B(brother) Henry




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Re: Judith and William Kelly - Queens County
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 22 March 18 08:32 GMT (UK) »
According to the Female Convicts Database ( https://www.femaleconvicts.org.au/ ) Judith's maiden name was Cahir and children Ann, Eliza and James were sent to the Orphan School
http://www.orphanschool.org.au/showorphan.php?orphan_ID=2980
http://www.orphanschool.org.au/showorphan.php?orphan_ID=2986
http://www.orphanschool.org.au/showorphan.php?orphan_ID=2996

also - 1850 birth of William to William Kelly and Judith (Cahir)
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-28-p708j2k

Eliza was apprenticed as a servant to W N Belcher of Melbourne - looking at the writing in orphan school registers, this was possibly W R Belcher, Clerk of Petty Sessions
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/default.aspx?detail=1&type=S&id=SWD28
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/default.aspx?detail=1&type=S&id=SWD7

In September 1849, Eliza Kelly, ex-Hobart Orphan School, was charged with obtaining goods under false pretences. She had recently been discharged from the service of Mr O'Shanassey.
1849 'LOCAL INTELLIGENCE.', The Melbourne Daily News (Vic. : 1848 - 1851), 23 August, p. 2. , viewed 23 Mar 2018, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article226473207

The name Eliza Kelly features in more police reports after this, but its hard to say if these are her or not. Another Eliza Kelly, imprisoned 1869 and 1872, had arrived from Liverpool per Greyhound in 1863, and an 1870 death of a habitual drinker named Eliza/Elizabeth Kelly was a married woman.

Eliza's father, William, departed for Melbourne in 1852, possibly for the goldfields.
https://stors.tas.gov.au/POL220-1-2  pg66

It would be interesting to find out if the family reunited somehow




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Re: Judith and William Kelly - Queens County
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 05 May 19 20:47 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for this reply, sorry for the very late thanks.

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Re: Judith and William Kelly - Queens County
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 08 May 19 10:47 BST (UK) »
Hoping to find you more information :-old Queens county =renamed County Laois
Kelly   Widespread 325 entries in 1830 Queen’s County see  over 300 entries in http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=kelly&firstname=&county=Queen%27s&townland=&parish=&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=&pager.offset=0 could still be worth knowing more where they lived in the county in case you return for a holiday.
Cahir   None found in Queens I did find records of a spelling variant Cahirr
so looking at surrounding counties in case she lived on the boundary area
Offaly [Kings]to the North, Kildare East, Carlow SE, Kilkenny S. Tipperary W. None found they at this time traceable mostly to Clare,  less to Galway, Limerick, Westmeath

Result overall disappointing. Stealing wheat or potatoes shows what life and penalties were like. Back to the experts
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Re: Judith and William Kelly - Queens County
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 08 May 19 20:36 BST (UK) »
Many, many thanks for doing that. There has been speculation that Judiths last name may have been Cahill, Cahir or Cahirr.

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Re: Judith and William Kelly - Queens County
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 08 May 19 21:40 BST (UK) »
Carr or Kerr too  ;D
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