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Ellen / Helen Bain
« on: Friday 23 March 18 14:47 GMT (UK) »
Ellen or, Helen Bain was my great-grandmother.

I'm trying to trace her death, if she got married and generally anything else about her. I've tried searching through scotlands people but I could be using it wrong etc and would appreciate a fresh pair of eyes.

This is what I have so far -

She gave birth to my grandfather, John Myron, July 1913. Father was Morris Myron a carpenter while Helen is listed as a domestic servant. John was born illegitimately in Dufftown. On Johns marriage cert to my g/ma Helen is listed as Helen Myron m/s bain so is still alive in 1942. I could not find a marriage cert for Morris & Helen. Morris died in 1944, Dufftown and is listed as single on his DC.

It was suggested Helen maybe changed from Ellen and found a Ellen Bain born SEP 1872 • Little Bregach, Aberlour, Banffshire, Scotland. I'm unsure if this is the right Helen. I searched death records for Ellen b. 1872 and one comes up d. 1921 50years but that's not her as the parents are different from the Ellen b. 1872.


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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #1 on: Friday 23 March 18 15:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi ,

Is there any address given on John's birth certificate ?


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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #2 on: Friday 23 March 18 15:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi ,

Is there any address given on John's birth certificate ?
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Yes there are two - I've attached the BC

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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #3 on: Friday 23 March 18 15:39 GMT (UK) »
Valuation Rolls:
Helen/Ellen Bain  shows as the tenant/occupier from 1915 right through to 1935

BAIN
ELLEN
MISS
Tenant Occupier
HOUSE NO 36 BALVENIE STREET
MORTLACH
1915
VR009100092-


BAIN
HELEN
Tenant Occupier
HOUSE 36 BALVENIE STREET
MORTLACH
1935
VR009100105-


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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #4 on: Friday 23 March 18 15:48 GMT (UK) »


Thanks Anne. Yes I have those. Perhaps she didn't die in Scotland? unlikely though

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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #5 on: Friday 23 March 18 16:21 GMT (UK) »
I see from the SP index that there is just one (H)el(l)en Bain of childbearing age in Mortlach in the 1911 census. Have you looked at this to see if she was at 36 Balvenie Street and if so, where she was born?
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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #6 on: Friday 23 March 18 16:44 GMT (UK) »
I see from the SP index that there is just one (H)el(l)en Bain of childbearing age in Mortlach in the 1911 census. Have you looked at this to see if she was at 36 Balvenie Street and if so, where she was born?

Doesn't help me that much. Looks like she was a servant at 36 Balvenie Street

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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #7 on: Friday 23 March 18 17:37 GMT (UK) »
The point is that it's the same address so it's almost certainly the same person. Where does the census say she was born?
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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #8 on: Friday 23 March 18 18:33 GMT (UK) »
The entry below Helen in the 1911 census. Is baby William a Bain?

In 1901, there is this entry at 41 Balvenie Street Mortlach:

Peter Bain 54 shoemaker b. Speymouth, Morayshire
Helen Bain 28 daughter, housekeeper b. glenrinnes, Banffshire
Elizabeth Bain 10 grandchild b. Mortlach, Banffshire
Jeanie Bain 7 grandchild b. Mortlach, Banffshire
James Smith 6 Months grandchild b. Mortlach, Banffshire

Details for this family show on page 5 of this doc www.brebner.com/uploads/bre13379.pdf

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