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Re: Charles John DONNE/DOUNE
« Reply #36 on: Saturday 24 March 18 20:18 GMT (UK) »
Her first husband George Waters had died on 1 September 1864, aged 66, and she kept his memorial card among her possessions.

She had married Charles John Donne of London at St Pancras register office - they had moved to Hemel Hempstead and then back to London.  He had no occupation and lived on her money.

It may just be discrepancies in the newspaper articles but at least one states the "mourning card" was for Bethia's father, George, who died in 1866, rather than her husband.

Also, in at least one article it states that both Bethia and Charles were of independent means and that Charles did not live on Bethia's money.

Yes these articles are not always very reliable (though in this case the mourning card discrepancy may have been my error - I canít immediately find the edition I first looked at - in which case apologies).

George Waters had in fact died (according to his probate record) at Stevenage on 16 December 1867.  His death registration at Hitchin gives his age as 29.  Administration of his estate of under £600 was granted to his widow Bithiah Waters of Stevenage.
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Re: Charles John DONNE/DOUNE
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 25 March 18 10:59 BST (UK) »
Her first husband George Waters had died on 1 September 1864, aged 66, and she kept his memorial card among her possessions.

She had married Charles John Donne of London at St Pancras register office - they had moved to Hemel Hempstead and then back to London.  He had no occupation and lived on her money.

It may just be discrepancies in the newspaper articles but at least one states the "mourning card" was for Bethia's father, George, who died in 1866, rather than her husband.

Also, in at least one article it states that both Bethia and Charles were of independent means and that Charles did not live on Bethia's money.

Yes you are correct regarding the mourning card - it was Bethia's father's card which appears to be an error in the paper:
Bethia's possessions  included a mourning card, "Sacred to the memory of George Kidman, of Edworth, Beds, died Sep 1st, 1864, aged 66 years"


Can't comment on Bethia and Charles being of independent means and that Charles did not live on Bethia's money.

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Re: Charles John DONNE/DOUNE
« Reply #38 on: Monday 26 March 18 08:36 BST (UK) »
No worries  :)

Do update if you get the certificate.  Bethiaís story has been an interesting and sad one to discover.

Have ordered the marriage certificate and will update you all. Yes, it has been interesting and sad.

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Re: Charles John DONNE/DOUNE
« Reply #39 on: Monday 26 March 18 18:47 BST (UK) »
No worries  :)

Do update if you get the certificate.  Bethia’s story has been an interesting and sad one to discover.

Have ordered the marriage certificate and will update you all. Yes, it has been interesting and sad.

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I have read the very lengthy and, most detailed story about the tragic drowning. You wouldn't get that in today's papers.

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Re: Charles John DONNE/DOUNE
« Reply #40 on: Monday 26 March 18 23:06 BST (UK) »
A few more references (which probably aren't all correct) for the Charles John Jenkins Thomas Donne that others have posted about. I'll include the references already posted just to make things easier to follow.

John, the father of this Charles, had various occupations: police officer (1851), national school master (1861) and and accountant (1871). So it'll be interesting to see if the details on the marriage certificate tallies with any of this.


GRO BMD references:
1843 Q2 Marriage: John Edward Donne and Mary Anne Donne; Cardiff; 26; 592
1843 Q3 Birth: Rosina Mary Donne (mmn: Donne); Bristol; 11; 158
1847 Q1 Birth: Charles John Jenkins Thomas Donne (mmn: Donne); Bridgend And Cowbridge; 26; 364
1848 Q1 Birth: Mary Ann Donne (mmn: Donne); Cardiff; 26; 376
1850 Q3 Birth: Agusta Mary Donne (mmn: Donne); Luton; 06; 111
1853 Q2 Birth: Hadassah Victoria Donne (mmn: Donne); Biggleswade; 03b; 324
1854 Q2 Birth: Alice Margaret Donne (mmn: Donne); Biggleswade; 03b; 331
1858 Q1 Birth: Eliza Donne (mmn: Donne); Manchester; 08d; 201
1859 Q1 Birth: Oscar Francis Donne (mmn: Donne); Biggleswade; 03b; 359
1862 Q1 Birth: Lewis William Donne (mmn: Donne); Biggleswade; 03b; 345
1864 Q2 Birth: - Donne (F) (mmn: Donne); Biggleswade; 03b; 340

1881 Q1 Death: John Donne; age 63 (born c1818); Hackney; 01b; 343
1883 Q1 Death: Mary Ann Donne; age 62 (born c1821); Hackney; 01b; 397

1925 Q4 Death: Emily Donne; age 71 (born c1854); St. Ives; 03b; 298
1927 Q1 Death: Charles John Jenkins Thomas Donne; age 82 (born c1845); West Ham; 04a; 106

1906 Q1 Marriage: Charles Thomas Donne and Emily Chapman; Stepney; 01c; 400 [?]
1874 Q2 Birth: Charles John Chapman Donne (mmn: Chapman); Bedminster; 05c; 770
1875 Q2 Birth: William Oscar Francis Donne (mmn: Chapman); Mile End Old Town; 01c; 559
1877 Q2 Birth: Maude Emily Donne (mmn: Chapman); Hackney; 01b; 499
1879 Q2 Birth: Beatrice Gertrude Donne (mmn: Chapman); Hackney; 01b; 586
1881 Q2 Birth: May Violet Donne (mmn: Chapman); Hackney; 01b; 588
1883 Q2 Birth: Mary Elizabeth Donne (mmn: Chapman); Hackney; 01b; 535
1885 Q4 Birth: Lilian Donne (mmn: Chapman); Hackney; 01b; 520
1889 Q4 Birth: Alice Irene Donne (mmn: Chapman); West Ham; 04a; 87
1889 Q4 Birth: Augusta Marguerite Donne (mmn: Chapman); West Ham; 04a; 87
1890 Q2 Birth: Eva Donne (mmn: Chapman); West Ham; 04a; 134
1892 Q1 Birth: Alfred Edward Victor Donne (mmn: Chapman); West Ham; 04a; 68
1894 Q3 Birth: Cyril Arthur Claud Donne (mmn: Chapman); West Ham; 04a; 162

1903 Q2 Marriage: John Charles C Donne and Mabel Louise Dendy; Greenwich; 01d; 1861
1906 Q1 Marriage: Mary Elizabeth Donne and Arthur Edward Plumb; West Ham; 04a; 143
1906 Q1 Marriage: Maud Emily Donne and James Robinson; West Ham; 04a; 143
1906 Q2 Marriage: May Violet Donne and Frederick Digby Aldous; West Ham; 04a; 135
1924 Q3 Death: Frederick Digby Aldous; age 53 (born c1871); West Ham; 04a; 23


Censuses:
1851 Northill, Beds
Charles with parents John and Mary
Ref HO107; Piece 1753; Folio 93; Page 5;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGB8-7NM

1861 Wrestlingworth, Beds
Charles with parents John and Mary
Ref RG09; Piece 995; Folio 95; Page 27;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7TX-59J

1871 St Albans, Herts
Charles with parents John and Mary
Ref RG10; Piece 1378; Folio 136; Page 6;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VF6J-QMQ

1881 Hackney, London
Mother Mary Ann, widowed
Ref RG11; Piece 315; Folio 40; Page 28;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q279-TKYL

1881 Hackney, London
Charles and Emily
Ref RG11; Piece 315; Folio 40; Page 27;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q279-TKN7

1891 West Ham, Essex
Charles and Emily
Ref RG12; Piece 1328; Folio 141; Page 39;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLHH-M6Z

1901 West Ham, Essex
Charles and Emily
Ref RG13; Piece 1587; Folio 85; Page 16;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9NL-2NZ

1911 West Ham, Essex
Charles and Emily
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXT-FFB


Baptism:
name: Charles John Jenkins Thomas Donne
baptised: 02 Jul 1852; Wrestlingworth
father: John Edward
mother: Mary Anne
born: 29 Jan 1847
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1BZ-H1S


Probate index:
Charles John Jenkins Thomas Donne
1927
of St Ives Road Houghton Huntingdonshire
died 27 March 1927 at 10 Valetta Grove Plaistow Essex
Probate Peterborough 17 May to Maud Robinson (wife of James Robinson) and May Violet Aldous widow
Effects: £97
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=Donne&yearOfDeath=1927#calendar

Maud Robinson and May Violet Aldous appear to be Charles' daughters (see GRO marriage references above).


Probate index:
Frederick Digby Aldous
1924
of 30 Elmhurst-road Forest Gate Essex
died 3 July 1924
Administration London 4 September
to Violet May Aldous widow
Effects: £208 7s 7d
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=Aldous&yearOfDeath=1924#calendar
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Re: Charles John DONNE/DOUNE
« Reply #41 on: Monday 26 March 18 23:57 BST (UK) »
The National Archives hold a couple of documents re. Bethia and Charles' separation.

Cause number: 1874 H130. Short title: Hooper v Donne. Documents: Bill
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7916484

Cause: Hooper v Donne Papers relating to separation of Charles John Donne and Bethiah
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C3579579
Anderson Banks Beard Brewer Caves Clarke Clinch Cooling Cuff Denton Gamble Gibson Gunn Hunt Mills Muncey Norris Notzke Reid Robinson Searle Smith Trundle Turner Weedon Wells Wilson

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Re: Charles John DONNE/DOUNE
« Reply #42 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 09:14 BST (UK) »
A few more references (which probably aren't all correct) for the Charles John Jenkins Thomas Donne that others have posted about. I'll include the references already posted just to make things easier to follow.

John, the father of this Charles, had various occupations: police officer (1851), national school master (1861) and and accountant (1871). So it'll be interesting to see if the details on the marriage certificate tallies with any of this.


GRO BMD references:
1843 Q2 Marriage: John Edward Donne and Mary Anne Donne; Cardiff; 26; 592
1843 Q3 Birth: Rosina Mary Donne (mmn: Donne); Bristol; 11; 158
1847 Q1 Birth: Charles John Jenkins Thomas Donne (mmn: Donne); Bridgend And Cowbridge; 26; 364
1848 Q1 Birth: Mary Ann Donne (mmn: Donne); Cardiff; 26; 376
1850 Q3 Birth: Agusta Mary Donne (mmn: Donne); Luton; 06; 111
1853 Q2 Birth: Hadassah Victoria Donne (mmn: Donne); Biggleswade; 03b; 324
1854 Q2 Birth: Alice Margaret Donne (mmn: Donne); Biggleswade; 03b; 331
1858 Q1 Birth: Eliza Donne (mmn: Donne); Manchester; 08d; 201
1859 Q1 Birth: Oscar Francis Donne (mmn: Donne); Biggleswade; 03b; 359
1862 Q1 Birth: Lewis William Donne (mmn: Donne); Biggleswade; 03b; 345
1864 Q2 Birth: - Donne (F) (mmn: Donne); Biggleswade; 03b; 340

1881 Q1 Death: John Donne; age 63 (born c1818); Hackney; 01b; 343
1883 Q1 Death: Mary Ann Donne; age 62 (born c1821); Hackney; 01b; 397

1925 Q4 Death: Emily Donne; age 71 (born c1854); St. Ives; 03b; 298
1927 Q1 Death: Charles John Jenkins Thomas Donne; age 82 (born c1845); West Ham; 04a; 106

1906 Q1 Marriage: Charles Thomas Donne and Emily Chapman; Stepney; 01c; 400 [?]
1874 Q2 Birth: Charles John Chapman Donne (mmn: Chapman); Bedminster; 05c; 770
1875 Q2 Birth: William Oscar Francis Donne (mmn: Chapman); Mile End Old Town; 01c; 559
1877 Q2 Birth: Maude Emily Donne (mmn: Chapman); Hackney; 01b; 499
1879 Q2 Birth: Beatrice Gertrude Donne (mmn: Chapman); Hackney; 01b; 586
1881 Q2 Birth: May Violet Donne (mmn: Chapman); Hackney; 01b; 588
1883 Q2 Birth: Mary Elizabeth Donne (mmn: Chapman); Hackney; 01b; 535
1885 Q4 Birth: Lilian Donne (mmn: Chapman); Hackney; 01b; 520
1889 Q4 Birth: Alice Irene Donne (mmn: Chapman); West Ham; 04a; 87
1889 Q4 Birth: Augusta Marguerite Donne (mmn: Chapman); West Ham; 04a; 87
1890 Q2 Birth: Eva Donne (mmn: Chapman); West Ham; 04a; 134
1892 Q1 Birth: Alfred Edward Victor Donne (mmn: Chapman); West Ham; 04a; 68
1894 Q3 Birth: Cyril Arthur Claud Donne (mmn: Chapman); West Ham; 04a; 162

1903 Q2 Marriage: John Charles C Donne and Mabel Louise Dendy; Greenwich; 01d; 1861
1906 Q1 Marriage: Mary Elizabeth Donne and Arthur Edward Plumb; West Ham; 04a; 143
1906 Q1 Marriage: Maud Emily Donne and James Robinson; West Ham; 04a; 143
1906 Q2 Marriage: May Violet Donne and Frederick Digby Aldous; West Ham; 04a; 135
1924 Q3 Death: Frederick Digby Aldous; age 53 (born c1871); West Ham; 04a; 23


Censuses:
1851 Northill, Beds
Charles with parents John and Mary
Ref HO107; Piece 1753; Folio 93; Page 5;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGB8-7NM

1861 Wrestlingworth, Beds
Charles with parents John and Mary
Ref RG09; Piece 995; Folio 95; Page 27;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7TX-59J

1871 St Albans, Herts
Charles with parents John and Mary
Ref RG10; Piece 1378; Folio 136; Page 6;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VF6J-QMQ

1881 Hackney, London
Mother Mary Ann, widowed
Ref RG11; Piece 315; Folio 40; Page 28;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q279-TKYL

1881 Hackney, London
Charles and Emily
Ref RG11; Piece 315; Folio 40; Page 27;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q279-TKN7

1891 West Ham, Essex
Charles and Emily
Ref RG12; Piece 1328; Folio 141; Page 39;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLHH-M6Z

1901 West Ham, Essex
Charles and Emily
Ref RG13; Piece 1587; Folio 85; Page 16;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9NL-2NZ

1911 West Ham, Essex
Charles and Emily
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXT-FFB


Baptism:
name: Charles John Jenkins Thomas Donne
baptised: 02 Jul 1852; Wrestlingworth
father: John Edward
mother: Mary Anne
born: 29 Jan 1847
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1BZ-H1S


Probate index:
Charles John Jenkins Thomas Donne
1927
of St Ives Road Houghton Huntingdonshire
died 27 March 1927 at 10 Valetta Grove Plaistow Essex
Probate Peterborough 17 May to Maud Robinson (wife of James Robinson) and May Violet Aldous widow
Effects: £97
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=Donne&yearOfDeath=1927#calendar

Maud Robinson and May Violet Aldous appear to be Charles' daughters (see GRO marriage references above).


Probate index:
Frederick Digby Aldous
1924
of 30 Elmhurst-road Forest Gate Essex
died 3 July 1924
Administration London 4 September
to Violet May Aldous widow
Effects: £208 7s 7d
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=Aldous&yearOfDeath=1924#calendar

You have been busy and will me going for a while  :).
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Re: Charles John DONNE/DOUNE
« Reply #43 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 09:15 BST (UK) »
The National Archives hold a couple of documents re. Bethia and Charles' separation.

Cause number: 1874 H130. Short title: Hooper v Donne. Documents: Bill
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7916484

Cause: Hooper v Donne Papers relating to separation of Charles John Donne and Bethiah
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C3579579

These could be interesting. Thank you.
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Re: Charles John DONNE/DOUNE
« Reply #44 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 09:30 BST (UK) »
Description:   
Cause number: 1874 H130.

Short title: Hooper v Donne.

Documents: Bill, interrogatories, answer, replication, deposition.

Plaintiffs: Thomas James Hooper.

Defendants: John Edward Donne, Charles John Donne, George Kidman, Marion Kidman, Elizabeth Kidman, Isabel Kidman, William Thomas Kidman and Edward Kidman.

Amendments: Amended by order 1874. Edith Kidman added as defendant.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it looks as if the KIDMAN family are wanting answers.
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