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Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
« Reply #45 on: Thursday 18 October 18 00:13 BST (UK) »
Hi

John Russel of Selby and Martha Hotchson of Drax married 10 Feb 1754 after Banns at Drax.

Both signed
Witnesses:  William Pullein and Edward Waud

Hello All

Thank you Claire.

So Martha Hotchson of Drax was the Daughter of Thos Hodgson of Featherstone, Tayler [sic].


That John Vincent, Mariner, [I need to see more of them Hull Trinity House Muster Rolls, to get his Birth place!!] married Elizabeth Russel and Elizabeth has the same descent as my Sarah Russel, who married George Hood of Selby.


Then about 80 years later from John Vincent, Mariner, on 16th February 1861 Matilda Vincent (alias Matilda Vincent Hood) was born at Langrick, in the Sub-district of Carlton in the Registration District of Selby and her Mother was Emily VINCENT HOOD. They were from Ditchingham, Norfolk.


I keep wondering if there is a local link somewhere and I've just missed it, for all these volumes of notes, Certificates, Census, Deed Registrations, pc files of photos and images, that have built up over 20 years. I must have seen and purchased upwards of 100 HOOD WILLS!

I can't 'see the Hood for the trees'.  ;D  ;D

Mark

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Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
« Reply #46 on: Thursday 18 October 18 12:34 BST (UK) »
Hello

Referring to John Hood [Master Mariner, Abode Selby, Born Scarbro'] occupying one part of a House divided into two Tenements at Mill Gate, Selby in the 1780s.

Property Indentures dated 5 & 6th April 1790 - Registered 1792 - Vol. DH, page 485, No 613 Eadon & Ors to Spencer.

Eadon [and John Turner, Tallow Chandler] & Others to John Spencer, Grocer (later a Gent)


The same House at Selby, divided into two Tenements changed owners in 1790. I am wondering if any of those Surnames named in the 1790 property transfer quoted had any links to a HOOD please:-

Thomas EADON of Selby, Gentleman (looked at before).
William RIMINGTON of Pontefract, Yeoman.
Joseph TATE of Wistow, Yeoman.
John TODD of Selby, Tanner.
John TURNER of Selby, Tallow Chandler. Grocer and a Book Keeper a few years later.
John SPENCER of Selby, Grocer. (later a Gent.)
Morley WHARREY of Selby, Gentleman.

Jno Todd
Witnessed by Jno Dodsworth and John Myers.




M. Shippen (not Slipper) Neighbour to John Hood in Selby Land Tax - 1780s

This House at Selby divided into two Tenements one occupied by John Hood, transferred in 1790 from John Turner, Tallow Chander (& Grocer) to John Spencer, Grocer (later a Gent).

One of the parties in the 1790 transfer, was Joseph Tate of Wistow, Yeoman.


1776 Wistow
Aug:t 20th Joseph Tate married Mary Shippen


In view of the 1790 House transfer (Registered 1792) also indicating Joseph Tate of Wistow, Yeoman was a party to the transfer and a 1776 Marriage found by Claire of Joseph Tate of Wistow, it confirms John Hood's Selby neighbour was almost certainly SHIPPEN.


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Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
« Reply #47 on: Friday 19 October 18 01:40 BST (UK) »
-Mark-

I've ( Joseph - bit more readable) darkened - enhanced your 1776 Wistow marriage image .
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Only thing that is a bit confusing is:  Mary Shippen married Joseph Tate 1776 - so WHY was she put down in  the land tax 1781 5 years later (after she married Joseph Tate) in her maiden name as M Shippen and NOT - M Tate (Mrs)  ???

Unless M Shippen 1781 land tax was a relative of Mary Shippen = Mrs Tate by 1781 - (like:- Example Michael Shippen or Martha Shippen)
In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
« Reply #48 on: Friday 19 October 18 08:21 BST (UK) »
Hello

Thank you dobfarm

Possibly the one in the Selby Land Tax was a relative of Mary Shippen.

Mark


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Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
« Reply #49 on: Monday 03 June 19 18:23 BST (UK) »


At Selby in June 1759 Elizabeth HOOD & Matthew ROW, witnessed the Marriage of Calvert TENNANT, Clerk, of Great Warley, Essex & Mrs Mary DAUNT.

Smithson TENNANT FRS was born Selby in 1761 and became a Chemist
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Discussing HOOD & ROW witnesses today we both thought simultaneously of the 1782 Will of Catherine Spencer, Wife of Scarborough, these Spencers were linked to Rowe by marriage.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D622184

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John HOOD of Scarborough, Mariner, to Sarah HAMMOND, 1778 London Marriage Bond (Saint Giles in the Fields), Bondsman was a John ROE.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6449908#msg6449908

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Hello

We called in at Selby Abbey on a recent visit to Yorkshire.

If you are following the other thread, you may have seen my very recent Robinson and Cook of Snaith / Snayth research attachment (Jottings).

1809 Admin (Inland Revenue Abstract) for John Cook of Snaith Yorkshire, England, gives his Sister's name Eliz'th Workman of Beverley County of York, who married Stephen Workman, a Widower at Beverley in 1795, wits Thos Procter and Mary Caygill. Also the place of Beverley was mentioned by my Grandmother along with the Robinson and Stephenson surnames.

Back to the quote above and our recent visit to Selby Abbey, some interesting recording of the Memorials was taken just over 100 years ago and regarding ROBINSON it says:-

Robinson. Date 170 - NNA, Bay from W 7. No 37
Daughter of William Robinson
Gentleman of Beverley.
Died the - of January 170 -
Aged -
(The above is amongst the
names on the Stone used by
the Daunt family
from
which, the eminant Chemist
Smithson Tennant was
descended.)
[sic]

Looking at Elizabeth HOOD in the quote (above) and looking at the Selby Abbey Floor Grave location information (quoted in this reply) linking ROBINSON to DAUNT, it seems there is a link from my HOOD family to an earlier *Elsabeth HOOD and link with ROBINSON and Beverley and Snaith, is beginning to emerge, just as my late Grandmother said about 47 years ago  ;D  ;D

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6745581#msg6745581

Thank you to all contributors and having all the past comments searchable.

Looks like I've got some Will reading and the links look to be made.

Regards Mark

* signed and spelt Elsabeth Hood and "of Selby" removed.
The 1759 Tennant & Daunt, wedding was by Licence and according to an unchecked transcription, it would seem Mary Daunt gave her residence as Snaith?

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Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
« Reply #50 on: Sunday 03 November 24 22:49 GMT (UK) »
According to the two attachments, the family of Daunt of Selby are seemingly linked to Robinson?


ROBINSON it says:-

Robinson. Date 170 - NNA, Bay from W 7. No 37
Daughter of William Robinson
Gentleman of Beverley.
Died the - of January 170 -
Aged -
(The above is amongst the
names on the Stone used by
the Daunt family
from
which, the eminant Chemist
Smithson Tennant was
descended.)


The 1759 Tennant & Daunt, wedding was by Licence and according to an unchecked transcription, it would seem Mary Daunt gave her residence as Snaith?

Selby Marriage Register, 1759
Calvert Tennant of Great Warley, Essex, married Mrs Mary Daunt, Spinster [sic]
Present:- Elizabeth Hood ; Matthew Row

Possibly Matthew Raw of Selby?

Raw of Selby
Surname Raw is linked to Selby, according to an 1899 book:-

Curious Epitaphs Collected and Edited with Notes by William Andrews

In addition to being parish clerk, Frank Raw, of Selby, Yorkshire, was a gravestone cutter, for we are told:—

Here lies the body of poor Frank Raw,
Parish clerk and gravestone cutter,
And this is writ to let you know
What Frank for others used to do,
Is now for Frank done by another.


Selby Abbey Memorials Survey says Frank Raw was buried 31st March 1706 and Jane Raw his Wife was buried 10th December 1726.

1722 Matthew Raw of Selby
1722, 21st November at Brayton, Yorkshire
Matthew Raw of Selby married Mary Morlay of Hambleton

Earlier Hood of Selby, Apprenticed at Wensley, Yorkshire
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=802107.msg7601625#msg7601625
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That is interesting because my late Grandmother, about 50 years ago mentioned, Beverley, Snaith and the surnames Morley and Robinson as relatives.

ADDED rather than write down what could be read on the stones in 1919 at Selby, the Surveyor seems to have taken bits from Morrell.

William Wilberforce Morrell wrote
The History and Antiquities of Selby

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Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
« Reply #51 on: Saturday 05 July 25 22:41 BST (UK) »
Hello

John Hood & M. Slipper were each occupying a part of a House divided into two Tenements at Mill Gate, Selby in 1786 and John Hood later in 1802 (transcribed below).

The same House at Selby, divided into two Tenements changed owners in 1790. I am wondering if any of those Surnames named in the 1790 property transfer had any links to a HOOD please:-

Thomas EADON of Selby, Gentleman (looked at before).
William RIMINGTON of Pontefract, Yeoman.
Joseph TATE of Wistow, Yeoman.
John TODD of Selby, Tanner.
John TURNER of Selby, Tallow Chandler, Grocer, a Book Keeper a few years later.
John SPENCER of Selby, Grocer. (later a Gent.)
Morley WHARREY of Selby, Gentleman.

Jno Todd
Witnessed by Jno Dodsworth and John Myers.

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ADDED
Fragmenta Genealogica, Volume 12, by Frederick Arthur Crisp, page 93, has information about Morley Wharrey, the Wharrey family of Selby; Gainsborough and a Granddaughter Jane Jowitt of Pheobe Morley dying 13th of 2nd Mo. 1848 and her remains buried at Pontefract on the 18th.

The dating arrangement in the book for this Wharrey family has adopted the Quaker system, where the names of the months are not used.


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Later Transfer of Same Property

Spencer to Hembrough Indenture of Lease and Release 8 & 9th Days of October 1802.

Between John Spencer of Selby in the County of York Gentleman of the one part and Thomas Hembrough of the same place Yeoman of the other part ...
Concerning all that Messuage now used as two Dwelling Houses or Tenements with the Garth Garden or Orchard and other the premises thereto belonging situate lying and being Selby aforesaid in a certain Street there called Millgate and now in the Tenures or Occupations of John Hood and Robert Nicholson or their undertenants Together with all and Singular houses outhouses edifices buildings ways waters watercourses walls party walls easements profits advantages hereditaments and appurtenances whatsoever to the said Messuage Dwelling houses or Tenements and premises belonging or in any wise appertaining except the common right belonging to the said Messuage or Dwellinghouses which is now allotted to the said John Spencer and intended to be awarded to him and his Heirs
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as post below






In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
« Reply #52 on: Sunday 06 July 25 12:02 BST (UK) »
Mark,

I've put all these surnames together as quick reference! for you and more for other members of rootschat to try to solve this mystery of George Hood born 1786 ish early life pre 1812 Selby that been going on many years.

George could have been born in his mothers maiden name as illegitimate to John Hood or another fathers surname and baptised in his surname'

Jane Hood wife of John Hood a mariner buried 1803 age 65 in Selby (most likely George Hood b 1786 ish mother and her maiden name or her widowed surname could be George Hood baptised surname between say 1784 & 1788 in Yorkshire as 1841 census of George Hood of Selby died 1845 Selby age 60

Jane Hood marriage to John Hood mariner has never been found

Jane Hood above could have come from Tyneside George Hood baptised 1786 son of John Hood in Gateshead (This George Hood has no history of infant death/burial, marriage or an adult burial in Tyneside area and also there was no more baptisms to a father John Hood in Gateshead parish +/- 10years before or after 1786 in Gateshead parish to another child of John Hood.

Summary

So we have a George Hood baptized 1786 Gateshead No History

George Hood a cooper by trade appeared in Selby 1812 with no formed history known

Jane Hood wife of John Hood burial 1803 aged 65 in Selby with no known recorded marriage of the couple

Scenario - John Hood the mariner was docked in Gateshead 1786 as this and used Selby residence as a docking address 1786 to stay when there and may have had an docking address in Gateshead Ship as a Innkeeper when not there and run by Jane Hood or Jane ???? maiden name (above) if they were not married.

 

(most likely the John Hood mariner mentioned below = John Hood born Scarborough 1737/1738 ish first wife Elizabeth Spencer her maiden name later Leppington widow died 1776 in Scarborough mother of Maudland hood/later Mrs Charles Turner of Selby.)

(Looks like ingredients of a recipe)

Only links in red in your above post.

1) John Hood whereabouts 1786 (Approx estimated year George Hood born 1786 ish)

2) Maybe - M. Slipper or Slippen or Shippen or Shipper was a woman 1786 (Possible mother of George Hood maybe born  illegitimate)

3) Wren Lane and Millgate Selby are very close

4) Spencer surname linked to John Hood through marriage Scarborough

5) John Spencer grocer ( according another thread was a cooper as well making wash tubs or similar etc)

6) A John Turner was a grocer (and possibly he was a cooper also)

7) Maudland Hood married Charles Turner

*) First encounter of George Hood b1786 ish was a cooper Wren lane Selby 1812

**) A - George Hood residing as a tenant in Knottingley with property owner George Wilkinson 1813 with surnames Cook and Grubb residing there in near years,

***) (Could be Jane ? ->) James Cockin witness present at George Hood and Sarah Russell 1815
Selby

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Some of George Hood's grandchildren (by James Hood, George Hood's son) carried surnames in their middle names, named after earlier generations.

One carried COOK (Elizabeth Cook Hood), being named after ?
One carried WILKINSON (John Wilkinson Hood) linked to James wife Sarah - Sarah's side.
One carried RUSSELL (William Russell Hood), being the maiden surname of George Hood's wife, Sarah (Sarah Russell).
One carried ALFRED (James Alfred Hood) Alfred, either a surname or forename.
One carried ARUNDEL (George Arundel Hood), being James Hood's wife Sarah Hood (nee Arundel)
One carried PEARSON (Bernard Pearson Hood)

Dobby
In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth