Author Topic: 1320 Seal with Coat of Arms Motto "THOME RYS TYRE POVRE POVI"  (Read 855 times)

Offline Llanfihangel

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1320 Seal with Coat of Arms Motto "THOME RYS TYRE POVRE POVI"
« on: Friday 30 March 18 19:37 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I found this reference to the RICE family in The National Archives.

The Motto seems to indicate a Welsh connection as TYRE in Welsh means House. The Lion Rampant is also ancient Welsh
Can anyone help interpret the Motto?

Thanks

Llanfi :) :) :) :) :)




Reference:   DL 25/2011/1679
Description:   Name: Thomas Rice (Rys), citizen of London.
Places: Sealed at Westminster, Middlesex; Property in Lindsell, Essex; Party from London.
Seal Design: Design: lozenge bearing a coat of arms (lion rampant), within a square outline, within a traceried outline of four lobes, Size: 21 mm, Shape: round, Colour: green, Legend: *S'§THOME§RYS§TYRE§POVRE§POVI?§, Personal.
Material: Wax.
Attachment: On tag.
Seal Note: § stands for two saltires (?four-petalled flowers) arranged vertically. Impression: fair. Condition: complete.
Note:   These seals are reproduced by kind permission of the Chancellor and Council of the Duchy of Lancaster
Date:   1320 Apr 27
Held by:   The National Archives, Kew

Legal status:   Not Public Record(s)
Closure status:   Open Document, Open Description
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Re: 1320 Seal with Coat of Arms Motto "THOME RYS TYRE POVRE POVI"
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 01 April 18 20:49 BST (UK) »
Not so much a "motto" as the legend around the seal.

"S" is usually short for "sigillum", Latin for "seal".

"[This is the] seal of Thomas Rys (Rice)", but I do not know enough Latin to tell you what "tyre povre povi" means.

David

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Re: 1320 Seal with Coat of Arms Motto "THOME RYS TYRE POVRE POVI"
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 01 April 18 22:29 BST (UK) »
This is a duplicate post.
See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=790860.msg6467903#msg6467903
where more information has been given to Llanfi.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs