Cannon at Cartagena, Spain

[toby webb]

On the battlements at Cartagena, along with several other cannons, is one that has a rose & crown cast into the barrel. Might this have been an English cannon? Might it have been taken from a captured English man of war? I should be interested to hear reader's views. Toby.

[MaxD]

V plausible.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tudor_rose#/media/File:GIMG_0447.jpg  not exactly the same arrangement but the Rose and Crown is first seen (I think) with Henry II and onwards with the Tudors.

I was going to make a feeble joke about it being stolen from our local pub called the .... but decided not to.

MaxD

[John915]

Good evening,

The Tudor rose and crown was used from 1485, Henry VII, until the death of Queen Anne, 1714. So right through the Tudor and Stuart dynasties.

There should be trunnion marks on the gun also. These will tell you who made it, where it was made, the calibre and weight.

Some British iron masters made guns for other countries as well as Britain. So the gun is English but may never have been on a British warship or with the artillery train.

John915

Added; Also when it was made within that 230 year period.

[toby webb]

Thank you both. I am a complete novice as far as cannons are concerned so trunnion marks are something new to me. The cannon was pretty corroded and covered with lots of paint so probably nothing to be easily seen. Should anyone be going to Cartagena, I can tell them where to find it. T

[Skoosh]

British made cannon being made with a Tudor rose & crown in the early 18th century, rather like the Marie Rose cannon. A bit strange as that dynasty ended in 1603.

Skoosh.

[John915]

Good morning,

British made cannon being made with a Tudor rose & crown in the early 18th century, rather like the Marie Rose cannon. A bit strange as that dynasty ended in 1603.

Skoosh.

The tudor rose is still in use by the monarchy today. As it has been by every monarch since Queen Anne.

John915

[Skoosh]

I know John, just as they continue to use the Irish harp despite that country being a republic for almost a century & Fleur de Lis plastered over everything for hundreds of years after England was kicked out of France! They don't do reality, their surnames being about as factual as their heraldry! 

Skoosh.