Germany - huge brickwall - WW2 story reads like a novel!

[davecapps]

let´s have a look at the mail you sent. either here or PM

Dave

[Gen List Lass]

I have just received this:

Hallo!

Ich habe Ihre Mail zuständigkeitshalber an das Standesamt Hamburg-Nord weitergeleitet.

Mit freundlichem Gruß

Birgit Bollweg
(Generalregister)

Is it telling me to write to a particular place? Hamburg-Nord?

Gen in NBL UK

[davecapps]

no, you don´t have to write at present.
Frau Bollweg has forwarded your mail to the registry office Hamburg-Nord.
You´ll have to wait and see what they say.

Still like to have a squint atwhat you wrote in your mail.

Dave

[davecapps]

Just thought I´d complicate things a little

Here´s 2 more Chr. Gefferts in Hamburg. This one´s a Tailor


Name:   Chr. Geffert [Christian Geffert] 
Residence Year:   1915
Address:   , Schulterblatt, 128, 6
Residence Place:   Hamburg, Deutschland (Germany)
Occupation:   Schneider (Tailor)



Name:   Chr. Geffert [Christian Geffert] 
Residence Year:   1920
Address:   Kojen 22, 3 ll
Residence Place:   Hamburg, Deutschland (Germany)
Occupation:   Schneider (Tailor)

[JustinL]

Just to follow up on your theory about Marianna's origins. Are you suggesting that the surname von Leliva is Russian?

It is unusual, but there are a couple of German records, including a couple for a baronial (Freiherr) family.

[Gen List Lass]

Thanks Dave for the two extra Gefferts.

Justin, I've never been able to find anything about a Marianna von Leliva online. I wondered if she'd tried to sound more aristocratic by adding a "von"? But her mother was Russian or what sounded Russian to a small child. I did find a few Polish Leliwa's......

Gen in NBL UK

[davecapps]

Just speculating about Marianna  Leliva/Leliwa and letting my imagination go haywire.

Leliwa 1:

Prussian Infantry Officer.
Bogumil Burchard Alexander von Leliwa born 1873 in Weißenburg, Elsace

Else Meyer ∞ 19.05.1910

Son: Fritz Ferdinand,  born 1911

Leliwa 2:

Feiherr Johann Friedrich Wilhelm Ludwig Von Leliva
Born 30 May 1743 - Hönscheid, Rittmeister, Alemania
Deceased 18 April 1836 - Arolsen, Alemania , age at death: 92 years old
Johann's occupation was Oberjägermeister

Parents
Oberst Johann Wilhelm von Leliwa

Spouses and children
Married to Sophie Oschmann †1822 with
Sophie Henriette von leliva 1792-1871

Leliwa 3:

Leliwa is also a village in Poland.
Maybe she was simply Marianna von Leliva / Marianne from Leliwa

The birth certificate from Paul should throw more light on this.

[Gen List Lass]

Thank you davecapps for your "von Leliva" thoughts.

For someone married to a mechanic, the "von" maiden name sounded pretentious! Unless the lady of the manor eloped with the chauffeur! :-)

I have to take all oral evidence with a pinch of salt as the informant was under 10 when his mother was killed and all paper evidence seems to have disappeared in the chaos of post WW2 Germany.

His proof of birth is only a form filled in, in Adelaide, when he arrived there wanting to stay, in 1955. I cannot post it all online due to privacy concerns but it seems to have at least three different handwritings in one page. And his mothers maiden name seems to have been uncertain as a pencil note has been written beside the space reminding someone, in German, to fill it in! See copy of that bit:-)

He didn't have his actual birth certificate when he arrived in Australia aged 19. I've just checked this with the family, this immigration "proof of age" document is all they have.

BTW - I've still not heard back from Hamburg Nord!

Gen in NBL UK

[davecapps]

The pencil note says "please enter yourself"

Strange. Why did he use a hyphen between name and surname.