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O’TOOLE family in Wicklow
« on: Thursday 12 April 18 21:30 BST (UK) »
I am a newby to this site. I have traced my parental history back to the 1400s in England and I am now researching my wife's in IRELAND. We have very little information as there is only 2 living relatives in England as far as we area aware and they know very little about the Irish family.

My wife's grandmother, Ann Elizabeth O’Toole, was born on 18/11/1916 in County Wicklow. She was the 5th of 7 children. Her father was Michael O’Toole. He and Ann travelled to Dover, England and he worked as a clerk there. It is believed she worked at Buckland Hospital in Dover. She married Edward William May on 14/12/1933 and had one daughter. They were divorced about 1940 but she remarried Alfred Charles Dilloway in 1945 and had a second daughter in 1947. Ann died in Eastbourne, Sussex on 8/11/1986.

One of the living relatives used to holiday as a young girl in Wicklow although her mother (Ann) never returned to Ireland. She stayed on a farm with her cousins but the address of 40 Convent Road, Wicklow stays in her mind. This would have been in the 1950s. We know no more. So far we have been unable to trace Ann’s family; we cannot find any family trees on Ancestry.co.uk that help; the censuses that would include the children are not available online. There are several O’Tooles in and around Wicklow and Rathdangan in the1901 and 1911 censuses but whether they are relations we do not know. Help from any living relatives or people with family trees would therefore be greatly appreciated!  Thank you in advance.

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Re: O’TOOLE family in Wicklow
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 12 April 18 22:43 BST (UK) »
There's a Convent Road in Wicklow according to Google results- have you tried writing to 'Occupant, 40 Convent Road, Wicklow'?
In the 1911 census there's also a Convent Row in Wicklow. No O'Tooles there but the relatives probably lived elsewhere earlier on or their surname wasn't O'Toole.

Checking the online vital records for Ann's birth without finding a match with that name and date. I've also checked for O'Toole births in Ireland 1910-1917 without a result and likewise a marriage for a Michael O'Toole...
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Re: O’TOOLE family in Wicklow
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 12 April 18 23:14 BST (UK) »
She was the 5th of 7 children. Her father was Michael O’Toole,,,

So who was the eldest??  On Census??

You obviously know more than what you've posted!!
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Re: O’TOOLE family in Wicklow
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 12 April 18 23:25 BST (UK) »
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lwa/  gets you all Toole O Toole

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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lwb/  gets you all OToole up to age 6 on Census 1911
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Re: O’TOOLE family in Wicklow
« Reply #4 on: Friday 13 April 18 00:16 BST (UK) »
There was an Anne Toole born 18 Nov 1909 but she is their first child. The day and month caught my eye.
Father Michael a mileman, mother Elizabeth Wisdom.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01594/1640878.pdf

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Re: O’TOOLE family in Wicklow
« Reply #5 on: Friday 13 April 18 09:29 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your swift responses. I’m afraid we do not know much more than I have already put on here. We have been looking for my wife’s grandmother for about 40 years and have only found out what happened to her after she divorced. We have just met my wife’s “new” aunt from the grandmother’s second marriage. Obviously as we do not really know her very well yet we did not want to bombard her with questions!

My wife tells me she was one of 9, not 7 children. We only know her father’s name from the first marriage certificate to my wife’s maternal grandfather. Her first child, my wife’s mother, is very bitter about it and the subject is taboo. The second daughter, the aunt, seems to know very little except what I have posted on here. We will hopefully obtain more information as time goes by.

I will check out any links you give me - many thanks! We are visiting Dublin at the end of this month and will take the opportunity to take the beautiful train ride to Wicklow and have a look around.

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Re: O’TOOLE family in Wicklow
« Reply #6 on: Friday 13 April 18 09:59 BST (UK) »
Have you a death for her father Michael in England also noting her age in first marriage 16/17 ?

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 13 April 18 10:34 BST (UK) »
Relationships in families can be difficult even years after various events took place and often family stories aren't always 100 % accurate.

If Ann's age is taken from her death certificate it might not be correct. If she was in England in 1939 then the 1939 Register should list her date of birth which would be useful for comparison. We aren't allowed to do full searches of it for you but using the free searches on Find My Past it is sometimes possible to narrow down the details quite a bit.
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« Reply #8 on: Friday 13 April 18 10:55 BST (UK) »
Following up on the 1909 birth that Sinann posted earlier-

Michael O’Toole, milesman, son of Michael, m.(25 Sept.1909) Elizabeth Wisdom
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10027/5647465.pdf
Groom's residence given as Clonmannan (Rathnew civil parish, Rathdrum Poor Law Union/Civil Registration District). Bride's residence shown as 5 Mile Point and it's likely Michael & Elizabeth lived there at the start of their marriage (perhaps with her family) as daughter Anne was born less than 3 months later.
1. Anne (18 Nov.1909 Five Mile Point, Newcastle, Rathdrum, Wicklow)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01594/1640878.pdf
2. Lawrence (3 Aug.1911 Newcastle)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01520/1617295.pdf
3. John Michael (26 June 1914 Newcastle)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01404/1577556.pdf
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