I'm searching for Florence Hargrave, likely born in Hull

[Adam Summerfield]

I've recently discovered that my grandmother's name was Florence Hargrave when she gave birth to my father in Drypool, Hull, 1947.
After searching BMD, her birth year was probably 1917. No middle name of hers is provided on my dad's birth certificate, so I assume she didn't have one.
Does anyone have any suggestions how I might pinpoint more details about her?

Something called the "Sutton Diocese" was also mentioned as being related to my father's birth in Hull, does anybody know what that is? Googling has provided me with nothing on that.

[CaroleW]

Is any address shown for her on your fathers birth cert?

Was he adopted after birth?  If so - has he ever applied for sight of his adoption records in case there are any more details about Florence?

[CaroleW]

I see some info was given by you on this post from reply 178 onwards which mentions orphanage and adoption

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=268058.msg6280043#msg6280043

[Adam Summerfield]

Thanks Carole, yes my father has recently seen his birth certificate. There's no information about his father anywhere. We're waiting to hear back from social services to see if there's an address for the house she was at when she gave birth to him and if we can get her birth certificate too, but that might not happen. The only information that might relate to where he was adopted from (after birth) is "Drypool" and "Sutton Diocese".

[CaroleW]

Might be best to wait and see whether there is any further info about Florence herself on the adoption records.   If she was born 1917 she was 30 at the time of the birth and may not have been born in Hull - just went there to have her baby.   

If your father has recently seen his birth cert - there should be an address where he was born and an address for Florence at the time of registration.

There is another birth in 1920 in Scarborough and a marriage there in 1952 - just a thought.  That Florence died in 2005 in Scarborough

[avm228]

The Florence Hargrave born in Hull in 1917 with mmn Robinson is likely to be a daughter of this marriage:

Ernest W Hargrave
Mary J Robinson

Jun qtr 1914 Hull 9d 525

Unfortunately the family appears to have suffered a major tragedy during the war as civilian casualties of enemy action on 19 March 1941.  The following were all killed at 38 Lissett Grove (which as you will see was not their home address):

Ernest William Hargrave aged 50
Mary Jane Hargrave aged 48, wife
Doris Hargrave aged 19, daughter
Ernest William Hargrave aged 15, son
Stephen Hargrave aged 13, son
Jean Hargrave aged 11, daughter

All of 42 Watton Grove.

[avm228]

Death notice: Hull Daily Mail, 21 March 1941

HARGRAVE - By enemy action, Ernest William, aged 50; also Mary Jane, aged 47, the dearly beloved wife of the above; also Doris, aged 19; Ernest William, aged 15; Stephen aged 13; Jean aged 12, daughters and sons. - The blow was hard, the shock severe. To lose all those we loved so dear. - Loving daughters Evelyn, Florence, Nancy, and in-law Bill, and Uncle Smithson.  Good night, God bless. - Grandma, granddad, aunties and uncles, Beryl and Brian.

[avm228]

I think “loving daughter Evelyn” was Sarah Evelyn Hargrave mmn Robinson, birth reg Mar qtr 1915 Hull.

Her marriage:

Sarah E Hargrave
William H P Hitchin <<< presumably “in-law Bill” from the death notice

Sep qtr 1935 Hull

Death registered in Beverley Dec qtr 1999 as Sarah Evelyn Hitchin, birthdate 4 Feb 1915.

[avm228]

“Nancy”, another surviving daughter, may have been born under a variant first name in 1924.

(Further details deleted as I can see a marriage but not a death).