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Re: Antiques Roadshow Treasure Hunt - Who was Catherine?
« Reply #36 on: Monday 16 April 18 16:56 BST (UK) »
Catherine L Short of Romford & Ruislip appears to have had two older brothers born in Sunderland.  I think Catherine of Antiques Roadshow fame said she only had one (and the photo only showed one older sibling).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Antiques Roadshow Treasure Hunt - Who was Catherine?
« Reply #37 on: Monday 16 April 18 17:00 BST (UK) »
Catherine L Short of Romford & Ruislip appears to have had two older brothers born in Sunderland.  I think Catherine of Antiques Roadshow fame said she only had one (and the photo only showed one older sibling).

I saw them and tried to look for a deaths of either of the brothers but there were too many records (and my bed was calling).
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Re: Antiques Roadshow Treasure Hunt - Who was Catherine?
« Reply #38 on: Monday 16 April 18 17:06 BST (UK) »
Catherine L Short of Romford & Ruislip appears to have had two older brothers born in Sunderland.  I think Catherine of Antiques Roadshow fame said she only had one (and the photo only showed one older sibling).

I saw them and tried to look for a deaths of either of the brothers but there were too many records (and my bed was calling).

The elder of the two brothers, Roger Lee Short b 1922, died in 1944 on active service (RAFVR).  He has a CWGC record.

Parents: Henry Mallett Short & Elizabeth.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Antiques Roadshow Treasure Hunt - Who was Catherine?
« Reply #39 on: Monday 16 April 18 17:13 BST (UK) »
The younger of the two brothers, born in 1925, sailed to Sydney in 1950 aged 24 (the Ruislip address listed as his UK abode is a perfect match).  Intended future permanent residence: Australia.

I won’t name him in case he is still living.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: Antiques Roadshow Treasure Hunt - Who was Catherine?
« Reply #40 on: Monday 16 April 18 17:31 BST (UK) »
Catherine L Short of Romford & Ruislip appears to have had two older brothers born in Sunderland.  I think Catherine of Antiques Roadshow fame said she only had one (and the photo only showed one older sibling).

The Ruislip family had 2_boys as well as Catherine.  John J born 1925 and Roger L born 1922
It seems Roger was in the air force and died in 1944

The letter on the show says...I am 12 years old and live with my mother father and brother.  There is a possibility that Roger had already joined the RAF and didn't live at home by 1940.
Clutching at straws a bit i suppose!

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Re: Antiques Roadshow Treasure Hunt - Who was Catherine?
« Reply #41 on: Monday 16 April 18 17:36 BST (UK) »
Roger married in Hendon in 1942.  He is likely to be one of the redacted entries in the Short household in 1939.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Antiques Roadshow Treasure Hunt - Who was Catherine?
« Reply #42 on: Monday 16 April 18 17:43 BST (UK) »
But no connection to the Bullsmoor Lane address where the things were found? I tried to find the address using google streetview to see if the house was still there, or replaced with something more modern. I couldn't find it.
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Re: Antiques Roadshow Treasure Hunt - Who was Catherine?
« Reply #43 on: Monday 16 April 18 17:57 BST (UK) »
Google Maps took me to a row of substantial looking semis on the south side of Bullsmoor Lane, though I didn’t get a Streetview opportunity to check that one of them was numbered 64. So far as one can tell anything about the building style from a bird’s eye view, they might well have been there in 1940.  If built with a garage (subject of one of the clues) then I’d imagine they were built in the 1930s, rather than significantly earlier.  The 1928 electoral roll shows only a small number of voters in Bullsmoor Lane, whose addresses appear to be farms, stables and named (not numbered) houses, so the suburban development must have taken place in the years following that.

Presumably no 64 was where the Antiques Roadshow lady lived when she found the stuff in the early 80s, though it wasn’t made explicitly clear.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Antiques Roadshow Treasure Hunt - Who was Catherine?
« Reply #44 on: Monday 16 April 18 18:16 BST (UK) »
The houses are shown on a 1935 Ordnance Survey map. The scale is pretty small, but they are pretty obviously the same semis as are there today.
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/535780/199784/10/101218 (You might need to zoom out before the map shows itself)
Here are the same houses on a later map https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/535780/199784/13/100765
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