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Re: Suspicious death
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 17 April 18 16:52 BST (UK) »
At Woronora Cemetery:

Albert Edward Williams 26-5-1968
Burial General Plaque Lawn - Lawn 4 - 0290
http://www.heavenaddress.com/ALBERT-WILLIAMS/1410488/


Madeline Blanche Williams 15-5-1978
Burial General Plaque Lawn - Lawn 4 - 0290
Photo: http://www.heavenaddress.com/MADELINE-WILLIAMS/1410560/

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Re: Suspicious death
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 17 April 18 16:56 BST (UK) »
Deaths:

11575/1921 WILLIAMS Edna parents ALBERT E and MADELINE B MARRICKVILLE

42921/1971 ENGLERT Muriel Nita parents ALBERT EDWARD and MADELINE BLANCHE NEWTOWN

Muriel Nite Englert 12-1-1/1971
Burial General Plaque Lawn - Lawn 4 - 0663
http://www.heavenaddress.com/MURIEL-ENGLERT/1391640/

Her husband:

Edmund Sydney Englert 26-6-2007 29-6-2007
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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 18 April 18 11:11 BST (UK) »
The daughter who was born in 1884:

10441/1962 BROWN Edith Mary parents Edward Thomas and Barbara Jane MARRICKVILLE

BROWN Edith Mary Death notice 4-6-1962 Death 78 formerly of Condobolin Sydney Morning Herald 5-6-1962   

Funeral: BROWN.—The Relatives and Friends of the late EDITH MARY BROWN (formerly of Condobolln, N.S.W.) are invited to attend her funeral to leave St. Clement's Church, Marrickville, after service commencing at 1 o'clock this (Tuesday) Afternoon for the Woronora Crematorium, arriving at 2 o'clock. By re-Quest no flowers.

Possible marriage: 622/1905 BROWN Robert to WILLIAMS Edith M ALBURY

Children:

686/1906 BROWN Muriel L parents ROBERT and EDITH M ALBURY

15832/1908 BROWN Roberta C parents ROBERT and EDITH M MARRICKVILLE

23468/1912 BROWN Donald E parents ROBERT and EDITH M WAVERLEY

Marriages:

1904/1924 DA COSTA David - COSTA David Da - DACOSTA  to BROWN Muriel L PETERSHAM

1210/1934 TWIBY Ronald W to BROWN Roberta C ROCKDALE

Death:

8474/1949 TWIBY Roberts (sic) Caroline parents ROBERT BOLIVIA and EDITH MARY HURSTVILLE

TWIBY Roberta Caroline Death notice 1-5-1949 Death 41 late of Hurstville NSW Sydney Morning Herald 2-5-1949

Death and funeral notices: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18113598

TWIBY Roberta Clare (Robyn) Death notice 14-6-1957 Death 21 late of Hurstville SMH 15-6-1957

TWIBY Ronald Wilfred Death notice 26-3-1989 Death 83 Sydney Morning Herald 28-3-1989

Woronora:

Roberta Caroline Twiby 1-5-1949 Ashes
Aa - Rose Garden 3 - 0056

Ronald Wilfred Twiby 26/03/1989
Kk - Rose Garden 19 - 0131

Roberta Clare Twiby 14-6-1957 Ashes
Aa - Rose Garden 3 - 0054

25583/1978 BROWN Donald Edward parents ROBERT BOLIVIA and EDITH MARY

DE COSTA Muriel Lavinia Death notice 26-9-1996 Death 94 formerly of Rozelle, Balmain and Epping   Sydney Morning Herald 28-9-1996

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Re: Suspicious death
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 18 April 18 12:23 BST (UK) »
Hi Jamjar

Thanks so much for all the information you have sent, it’s hard to keep up 😀 I’ve not used google news before, it’s something I clearly need to investigate more. Robert Bolivia Brown is someone of particular interest as it’s proving difficult to trace him back, but I suspect he has roots back in Scotland or Northern Ireland based on some DNA results I’ve seen.
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Re: Suspicious death
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 18 April 18 13:13 BST (UK) »
Death: 1864/1943 BROWN Robert Bolivia parents SAMUEL HENRY and HONORA CONDOBOLIN

Obit, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article214440192

Condobolin Cemetery: Brown Robert Bolivia 1877? 21 Jan 1943 65 Condobolin NSW RC

Births to Samuel and Honora:

18267/1872 BROWN LOUISA H parents SAMUEL and HONORA TENTERFIELD

19443/1873 BROWN SAMUEL HENRY parents SAMUEL and HONORA TENTERFIELD
Death: 18282/1958 BROWN Samuel Henry parents SAMUEL HENRY and HONORA CAMPSIE
Notice: BROWN Samuel Henry Death notice 16-9-1958 Death 85 late of Bankstown Sydney Morning Herald 17-9-1958   

20960/1876 BROWN JOHN THOMAS parents SAMUEL and HONORA TENTERFIELD

20961/1876 BROWN BRIDGET parents SAMUEL and HONORA TENTERFIELD

22898/1878 BROWN ROBERT B parents SAMUEL and HONORA TENTERFIELD


Marriage: 3752/1871 BROWN SAMUEL to HANLON HONORA WELLINGROVE

Deaths:

10740/1880 BROWN Honora father MARTIN DIED GLEN INNES WELLINGROVE

Obit, last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article192877175

13923/1889 BROWN Samuel parents SAMUEL and LOUISA TENTERFIELD

It very much appears that the origins of the ‘Bolivia’ in Roberts name is due to Robert’s father, Samuel, living in Bolivia, NSW and owning the Bolivia Hotel. Samuel’s Obit in 1889 says he’d been here for around 50 years, having been born in Bedfordshire. 3rd column:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18977629

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Added: Robert B’ son also at Condo Cemetery:

Brown Donald Edward 1912? 6 Sep 1978 66 h/Dulcie Martha Condobolin NSW Ang4 B03
Brown (Caie) Dulcie Martha 1909? 10 Aug1978 69 w/Donald Edward Condobolin NSW Ang4 B02
Photo of headstone can be found here: http://austcemindex.com/?cemid=219

Marriage: 24149/1940 BROWN Donald Edward to CAIE Dulcie Martha CHATSWOOD
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Re: Suspicious death
« Reply #14 on: Friday 20 April 18 10:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Jamjar

Thanks for the newspaper quote for Robert Bolivia Brown's father - I've not seen that before. I knew about the origins of Robert's middle name, but hadn't known about the connection to the Bolivia Hotel. The obit has wrecked my thoughts about Scottish ancestry on that side of the family, but has at least given me a clue about where to find the family before they emmigrated. So, now to find the emmigration details, and work our where in Bedfordshire they came from.

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Re: Suspicious death
« Reply #15 on: Friday 20 April 18 11:16 BST (UK) »
I’m confused. Which family do you think emigrated?

Samuel Brown married Honora Hanlon 1872 in NSW, is it not possible that they both arrived in Australia without their parents?

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« Reply #16 on: Friday 20 April 18 14:21 BST (UK) »
Hi Jamjar

I sometimes forget that not everyone is as familiar with my tree as I am  :-[

I've been researching my son-in-law's family now for a while as he always expressed an interest in his roots. For Christmas, I got him a DNA test with FTDNA (I've had mine done with them well before Ancestry started to test) and got back a quite surprising ethnicity map, and some direct matches with cousins whose names I am familiar with. A couple had also uploaded GEDCOM files, so I've been comparing their trees with mine. That's what has prompted my current bout of research, and led to my initial question posted a few days ago, which I think has now been answered.

However, in your research for my question, you've uncovered some resources I'd not found or thought of, and identified quite a number of people I have already in my tree, one of whom is Robert Bolivia Brown, who is my son-in-law's great grandfather. I've found Robert's parents, but not managed to get any further back, but since we now know that Samuel Brown was born in Bedfordshire, we have another handle on researching that bit of the family, and that's what I was refering to when I talked about finding out about when he came to Oz, and where he started from in Bedfordshire.

As far as Honora Hanlon, I can get no further back with here, other than she appears to have been bourn in Australia c1871 and died before 1905.

Hope that clears the confusion a bit :)
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« Reply #17 on: Monday 21 May 18 04:21 BST (UK) »
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As far as Honora Hanlon, I can get no further back with here, other than she appears to have been bourn in Australia c1871 and died before 1905.
....

Jamjar gave you the NSW BDM index ref numbers for lots of bdm events, including Honora's 1872 marriage to Samuel, and her 1880 death, and a live link to her Obit.  NSW law at that time (1872) required her to be at least 12 years of age to marry.    Here's the live link Jamjar gave for her Obit.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/192877175

There were passengers surnamed HANLON arriving in New South Wales 1864 on the Morning Star.  Two sisters, one aged 27, her name was Honora.  http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?series=NRS5316&item=4_4798&ship=Morning%20Star  page 8.

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