Mary Currie born Irvine around 1835/1841

[chempat]

In 1841 living in Glasgow Vennell there is
Mary Currie   35  Ireland
Mary Waugh   62  Ireland
Charles Currie   8  Scotland
Mary Currie   6  Ayrshire
George Currie   5  Ayrshire
William Currie   1  Ayrshire

in 1851 in Dundonald Ayrshire
Mary Curris   38  Ireland
Mary Curris   15  Irvine  dau   muslin sewer
George Curris   14   Edinburgh   son
William Curris   11   Irvine   son
Patrick Madder   4    illeg. son  Irvine
John Madder   2   illeg. son Irvine

in 1861 in Dundonald
Mary Currie   20  head muslin sewer  Irvine
John Madden   9  half-brother Irvine
Mary Lawrie   2  daughter  Irvine
Mary Smith   20
Elizabeth Amster   18

Is it reasonable to assert that this is the same group of people, despite the disparity in ages through the years?

Also, if Mary Lawrie is the daughter of Mary Currie and Patrick and John Madder/n the illegitimate sons of Mary Currie, snr, then their father's surnames are Lawrie and Madder/n respectively?

[loobylooayr]

Hi -

Yes, I would be inclined to say this was the same family group.

On 1851 Census the family are living in Fullarton Street - Dundonald Parish.....but this was actually in the town of Irvine not the town of Dundonald.
Part of Irvine (one side of the river) came under Irvine Parish. The other side of the river came under Dundonald Parish.
So the family are still in same town.
As to the names of Madder and Lawrie - yes I would say these children were named after their fathers .

Looby

[loobylooayr]

Hi again

The boys - Patrick and John are actually recorded as MADDEN on the 1851 Census - as per Scotlands People  records.

Looby

[chempat]

Thanks for replying.

Just writing down those 3 censuses made everything look clearer. 

Wonder if I can find out anything about Mr Lawrie, as I believe that Mary Currie has several more illegitimate children - but they might all have different unnamed fathers.

(Yes, I should have put that those were just from Ancestry and their interpretation of the names.)

[loobylooayr]

Just out of interest -
There is a man lodging on High Street Irvine in 1851 -
Peter Madan - aged 40 - agricultural labourer born Ireland.

The names Peter and Patrick were/are interchangeable.

Looby

[loobylooayr]

Have you looked at Mary Lawrie's birth registration?

She was born after Statutory Registration....her father may possibly be named on the registration if he accepted responsibility .
Looby

[chempat]

No Father's name - I have just looked.

Her grandmother was the informant.

[loobylooayr]

That's a pity.
Do you know what happened to young Mary - if she married she may have given a father's name on her marriage registration? Equally when she died, the informant could have provided a father's name.
However both sources depend on the knowledge/memory of the person who provided it.

If Mary snr registered the birth of her granddaughter there should be a death cert. for her
.
Looby

[loobylooayr]

Is Mary Lawrie still in Irvine on the 1871 Census but recorded as Mary Currie?

Looby