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Re: Help
« Reply #9 on: Monday 30 April 18 18:32 BST (UK) »
Hi again  dawnsh  and bumbleb.

I'm not sure  which one to answer 1st  so I will do it as they come in my head. 1st 

That makes sense  bumbleb  about the year  Mr Crossfield  passed away.  Because  apparently  my great gran Frances moved some time  after from what I can figure out.  The address  I'm not sure on. But my mum was in wales in Abergele. From 1941 for 5/6 years because of a spine  injury.  When she came home. She had a new house. New sister  and a step father. 


Dawnsh.

I didnt  know  what records  was checked  or what years only 1938 
I was being helped by a young lady at the Manchester library.  When I tried to explain  what I wanted.  I don't think she quite  understood  what I ment.

I said I wanted to know  who was living at 192 upper brook Street cholton on Medlock Manchester at the time of my gran eveline shulman  and also who was living  at 59 Rusholme Road cholton on Medlock Manchester. With my grandad and his mum. From 1914 . I explained  that my grandad  was living with his mum  before and after  he married my gran eveline in 1933. And my mum was born 1937.and my grandparents  was still living in the same house as my great gran Frances along with her. 
What I didn't know was Mr Crossfield was also living  there. Until he passed away 1941 
So what it looks like  is. When my gran eveline  went to this Newcastle upon Lyme in 1938/9  my grandad would have inlisted in the army.  And my gran and my mum  went to stay with  a family  for some reason which I'm not sure why and how long was my gran there for only that by 1941 my mum was in Abergele hospital. And on her back for 5/6 year's. She had spinal tuberculosis.  (My mum called it a T.B spine.)   


I really  don't know what else  to look for  and how. I'm  really  stuck I've gone through everything  from when I 1st started  my family background. And now I honestly  am stuck.

Anyway  thank you again both of you.  I honestly  do appreciate  your help with this.

Thank you again.

Dorothy 

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« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 01 May 18 11:59 BST (UK) »
Hi Dorothy

It was very kind of someone at the library to help you. I know they are always busy.

Have you ever looked at electoral registers before?

Do you know what information they contain?

Basically, they are a list of people at specific addresses who are eligible to vote. They don't have dates of birth, or marital status or relationships.

In the 1930's you had to be over 21 to vote.

I don't know what you are trying to find out that you don't already know.

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« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 01 May 18 12:37 BST (UK) »
HI dawnsh.
I was just trying to find out. Things like. Was the address  where my gran eveline  was living.a normal address  like was it a family home. Before she married my grandad Alfred.

And also things like. When my grandparents got married  they obviously  moved in with my great gran Frances Jones.
And if possible  when  did my great gran Frances move from  the address  where she was living with my grandad.  Did she move to sale or Baguley. Then move to  Hyde  where was still living  up until she died in 1967  I think ray found out for me.

It's possible  I have all the information  everyone  has helped me with.  At the moment  I honestly  can't  think staight.  Because  I lost my  dog who passed away  last week.  everything  is all mixed up at the moment

Anyway  thank you again.for your  help and I did try to find out on 1939 Electrol roll.

Thank you again for your help. As I've said so many times. I honestly  do appreciate help. Thank you

Dorothy

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« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 01 May 18 12:58 BST (UK) »
192 Upper Brook Street - In the 1939 Register there are three separate entries for this address which makes me think that the house was split into flats or rooms to let.  Two of the entries are each for a single person, and the third is obviously an unoccupied area of the house.  190 is split into 6 households, and 194 is split into 3 households.

So it is quite possible that Eveline was living in a flat or room at 192 Upper Brook Street in 1933.

59 Rusholme Road, on the other hand, is shown as one entry with Mr Crossfield as No: 1 and Frances as No: 2 of the same household.


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« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 01 May 18 13:45 BST (UK) »
I found some photos taken in the 1960's before the Rusholme Road area was redeveloped.

The first one shows number 86

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lzq/

You can't see house numbers in this one

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lzr/
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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 01 May 18 14:49 BST (UK) »
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« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 02 May 18 11:14 BST (UK) »
Hi bumbleb.
Thank you again for your help. Especially  the part of my great gran Frances.

Something  is confusing me  Abit.  I just can't seem to figure it out.  On my grandads  marriage certificate. It says  59.Rusholme road cholton on Medlock. The same is on my mum's birth certificate. Same address.

What I don't understand is. What happened to my grandad  after he was born?  There's no address for him.only  the place he was born. 20 nell lane. Which is the same place my mum was born. Which is the hospital. Now  apperantly. The hospital  changed from a work house after 1916. And become the hospital. 

So now I have this gap where was my grandad  when he was born?  If his mum Frances  was a house maid for Mr Crossfield. Because  he was apperantly the care taker for the cemetery. He lived in the house belonging to the cemetery. And my great gran Frances needed work so she became the house keeper.
And from what my mum told me. Her gran Frances. Told her when Alfred was 15 she asked  if it was ok for her son to live with her. She was then asked  how old was he. Which my great gran replied  he's 15. Then my great gran sent for him. This is what my mum told me. And her gran Frances told my mum.

This is why I'm trying to find out who was living where and how long for. Which brought me to the question  where was my  grandad after he was born. Was he with his mum's  relatives. For a short while. Or was he sent to Wales  for some reason that's why my mum thought  her dad was born in wales. Because of the place  Rhos on sea. Which she mentioned  afew times. 

Even though  my mum went  wales  when she was young  because of a spine injury.
And I was also  sent to Conway  when I was very young. Which I don't know why.  Apparently  it was a hospital  I was sent to. From what I've found out recently.  Very strange. 

This is why I'm confused sometimes. 

So what ever  help  I can have I would really appreciate it. Honestly.  I really can't do this without  help.I don't know where to look or what to look for.

There is something  on my grandads  marriage certificate.  It says  fathers name and ocupation. 
It says john jones. Vanman  deceased.   I've checked  my great grans family chart. And I can't see a relative of hers  with the name  john jones.  Maybe  she didn't think  it was worth  getting married  to him because of the  same  surname as her.
It would be interesting  though  to find out who he was. But for that I would need to know  where he was born along with everything else. 

I might  have a go and see if I can find out.

Anyway  thank you again for your help and I really do appreciate it honestly. Thank you

Dorothy

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« Reply #16 on: Friday 04 May 18 11:30 BST (UK) »
It could also be that John Jones is a made up name, so there wasn't a blank space on his marriage certificate.
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« Reply #17 on: Friday 04 May 18 12:02 BST (UK) »
1911 census shows Frances Jones as a "Boarder" at 11 Park Road, Colwyn Bay, North Wales.  Aged 20 and a "Laundress".

1914 Alfred Evan Jones is born at 20 Nell Lane, Withington, which we know is Withington Hospital.  Frances' address is shown as Chorlton on Medlock and she is a "Laundress".  No street is named in C on M, and the column for "Name of Father" is blank.  My assumption is that Frances was NOT a resident of the Workhouse as that address would be entered on the birth certificate, but did attend the hospital attached to the Workhouse in order to give birth to Alfred Evan.

The next time we see any mention of Alfred Evan Jones is in 1933 when he marries Eveline Shulman - address is given as 59 Rusholme Road, which we know is address for Thomas Crossfield in 1939.  Mr Crossfield is a witness to Alfred Evans' marriage.

The 1921 census will give us more information, but we will have to wait for that to be released.   ::)
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
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