GRO Say Ref doesn't match birth - Help please

[northern_rose]

I feel like I have hit a brick wall before starting on my mothers line!

My maternal grandfather was born 25th June 1905 but I can't get a birth cert to prove it! The only ref that fits as a possibility is from the Sept quarter of 1905. I can't see any other refs for a Richard Henry Clegg in 1905.

I ordered this cert last week and the GRO have not issued it as the ref has a different DOB and his mothers name is not Frances. I guess it was worth getting them to check as it saved me money but I would rather have his certificate!!

The only info I do have is a certified copy of his baptism in September 1905.

I really need his birth cert to confim place of birth and his parents details. Can anyone help or suggest where to go from here?

Thanks

[JeannieR]

Hi Rose

September is the right quarter , for a birth that  took place in June

How did you arrive at his birth date ? he could have been baptised long after his birth......I will have a look for you , and see if I can come up with anything else....

Jeannie

[northern_rose]

His birth date of 25th June was the date we always celebrated his birthday! Mum and I are positive on that. I did wonder if the year was wrong but with the baptism being held in Sept 1905 he couldn't have been born any later. Also just rechecked the baptism and that lists his birth as 25th June 1905.

I don't actually know where he was born. He was baptized in Todmorden but lived most of his live on the Fylde (Thornton, Fleetwood). I was hoping his birth cert would tell me where he was born!

The address on his baptism does not seem to have been listed on the 1901 census.

Any help gratefully received!!

[familysearcher]

is it possible that his baptismal name and his registered name are different?  there is a mitchell henry clegg registered in todmorden in sept 1905 - vol 9a 231 (or 281).

i know from personal experience that mistranscriptions do happen - for eg my husbands grandfather is shown as a girl on the GRO register but a boy in the original registers.

it is probably worth contacting the register office covering todmorden and asking them to check their registers for the dob you have.

Sue

[Jane Eden]

Hi

You don't give the reference you applied for. The only one for his birth I can find is Blackburn 8e 438 Sep qtr. I have found the reference for his death which has the correct birth date but presumably your mother gave that date when she registered the death. Blackpool and Fylde F30E 243.

Jane

[JeannieR]

Hi again Rosie

Familysearcher has a point . Might be worh checking.

You appear to know that Richard Henry's mother , was named Frances . and you say he was brought up on the Fylde.

I have just found the marriage of a Frances Dorricott and a John Clegg , which was registered at Blackpool in 1901

At the moment , the 1837online site is "down" so I couldn't get the gro number for you . If you think it of any significance , I will do it as soon as it comes back online

Meantime I will try check out Frances and John Clegg on 1901

Jeannie

[northern_rose]

I am always amazed by everyone's fast responses on this site!

The certificate I requested was the Blackburn registration.

I couldn't find John and Frances together in 1901 on the census but if they married after April they could well be listed apart. (Richard Henry was the oldest son so this is possible)

I had found a John Clegg in Blackpool in the 1901 census that could be my great grandfather - working as a waiter in a hotel and originally from Todmorden.

I wondered if Richard could have been born on the Fylde in June and taken to the family church in Todmorden in Sept to be christened. Would this have happened in 1905??

I would be VERY grateful for the wedding ref of John and Frances.

Thanks all.

[JeannieR]

Rosie

Frances Dorricott to John Clegg / registered Dec qtr 1901 / Fylde /
volume 8e page 1062

I am still looking for Frances in 1901 , but it looks like her name could be mistranscribed !!

Jeannie

[JeannieR]

Rosie.....

I feel a bit excited !!!  Just found......

James Elsworth / head / 48 / publican / Born TODMORDEN
Mrs Elsworth / wife / 49
FRANCIS DERROCOTT / neice / 24 / born Shropshire

living at The Railway Hotel , Burnley Road , TODMORDEN

Do you think this could be the connection ?

In 1891 , she is living with her grandparents in Shrewsbury , she could have been an orphan , and took the baby to be christened near to her aunt and uncle......just a thought

I will have another look , and see if there were in Richard Dorricotts
she may have named her son after her deceased father.....
Are there any Eleanors in the family ?

Jeannie