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Re: Bernard New Orleans 1847
« Reply #27 on: Monday 30 April 18 12:04 BST (UK) »
Searching for "John A Bernard" in Louisiana papers on Newspapers.com brings up a number of hits including what looks to be a death announcement in the Baton Rouge Tri-Weekly Gazette for July 13 1867, page 3, which mentions a brother. Don't have a sub so unable to pursue further.

Don't need one. For free here: https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn86053661/1867-07-09/ed-1/seq-2/

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Re: Bernard New Orleans 1847
« Reply #28 on: Monday 30 April 18 12:33 BST (UK) »

Don't need one. For free here: https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn86053661/1867-07-09/ed-1/seq-2/


Perfect thank you interesting a search didnt throw up anything using his name.
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Re: Bernard New Orleans 1847
« Reply #29 on: Monday 30 April 18 12:57 BST (UK) »
I don't think JAB can be a "descendant" of Simon Bernard as the New York Herald stated. Simon Bernard was born in France in 1779 and came to the US in 1824.
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Re: Bernard New Orleans 1847
« Reply #30 on: Monday 30 April 18 14:26 BST (UK) »
Ancestry has Jean-Pierre Bernard's will written in French in 1810 (image 316 of Louisiana Wills). He declares that he had been married to Catherine Laly for 23 years and had children Jean Antoine 18, Jean 16, Joseph Lazard 12, Marie Rose 20 and Celeste Félicité 13.
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Re: Bernard New Orleans 1847
« Reply #31 on: Monday 30 April 18 20:27 BST (UK) »
I don't think JAB can be a "descendant" of Simon Bernard as the New York Herald stated. Simon Bernard was born in France in 1779 and came to the US in 1824.

John A Bernard was born in  New Orleans according to passport and other documents.
Joseph as native to Baton Rouge so its very likely they are not descended to Simon.
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Re: Bernard New Orleans 1847
« Reply #32 on: Monday 30 April 18 22:48 BST (UK) »
In the 1937 Marriage cert in Kent John is named John Augustus Anthony Bernard but havent seen the Augustus in any other document  it must be on his birth cert which he would have needed for the banns ? or was it not necessary at that time?
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Re: Bernard New Orleans 1847
« Reply #33 on: Monday 30 April 18 23:48 BST (UK) »
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it must be on his birth cert which he would have needed for the banns ? or was it not necessary at that time?

No birth certificates in those days!
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Re: Bernard New Orleans 1847
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 01 May 18 05:53 BST (UK) »
If Napoleon had conquered Britain as well, you might have had access to all those supplemental marriage documents like they have in the Netherlands ... (incl extracts of birth or baptism documentation)  ;D

It is interesting that we've got so much on the background of that couple, but that that we still don't know whether John Augustus Anthony Bernard (1837 Dover UK) = John Anthony Bernard (1847 New Orleans USA). They were either different people after all or there would have been - most likely - a legal reason. The other thing that has intrigued me is the seemingly lack of legal children, but at least 2 children out of wedlock.

(I'm just going to throw out a few ideas)
The first wife (Alexandrine Poulain) dies somewhere in 1831 and the wife's age on the 1845 passport fits for Eleanor Goddard. It seems that there is no problem there, but maybe there had been another marriage after Alexandrine and before Eleanor that we haven't found yet.
The Bernard family appears to have been fairly wealthy and would have had to make sure that legally everything was in place (especially with 2 "natural" children hanging around). St Mary the Virgin in Dover is an Anglican church. Maybe this was an issue in Roman Catholic Louisiana and therefore they had a state marriage as well? Or, did an Louisiana resident have to legally register his/her foreign marriage before it was recognised? Of course they could have just lose their original marriage papers or maybe there was something wrong in the 1837 certificate that would have made it invalid ...

Maybe someone else can think of other possible reasons

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Re: Bernard New Orleans 1847
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 01 May 18 06:46 BST (UK) »

A question: Has anyone found this couple on a 1840's and/or 1850's census?