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Re: Possible Gypsy Ancestry? HUTCHISON, Scotland
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 02 May 18 15:43 BST (UK) »
Hi again, MC is Marriage certificate.
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PS was Isabella born as Isabella Donaldson Heywood 18th July 1851 Fife, Dunfermline Father James Heywood Mother Mary Marshall?
One of the children on the 1871 census, does not appear on 1861, a Mary Ann Heywood b c 1853 in 1861 she is with a Robert Marshall 60 with wife Isabella Donaldson 67 Grace Marshall 25 shown as Grandaughter.
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Re: Possible Gypsy Ancestry? HUTCHISON, Scotland
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 02 May 18 17:41 BST (UK) »
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Hi again, MC is Marriage certificate

Ah I see, thanks. I wish I had Mary Hutchison's marriage certificate, I just have the transcript on Ancestry that unfortunately doesn't let you see the original image.

And yep, you've got the right Isabella! :)  I'm looking at what I've got for her on Ancestry, I have a 1861 and 1881 census but no 1871 so I don't see a Mary Ann Heywood. I'm a bit puzzled why she would be on some census but not others...?
I have a visual impairment which makes research difficult to please forgive any silly questions :)
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Re: Possible Gypsy Ancestry? HUTCHISON, Scotland
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 02 May 18 18:08 BST (UK) »
Hi again, 1871 census:-

James Heywood 40
Mary 42
ISABELL 19
Mary Ann 18
James 16
Agness 10
Janet 8
Residing Ponton Street, St Cuthbert, Edinburgh
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Re: Possible Gypsy Ancestry? HUTCHISON, Scotland
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 02 May 18 18:38 BST (UK) »
thanks for the info, that's interesting.

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One of the children on the 1871 census, does not appear on 1861, a Mary Ann Heywood b c 1853 in 1861 she is with a Robert Marshall 60 with wife Isabella Donaldson 67 Grace Marshall 25 shown as Grandaughter

Forgive me if I've misunderstood this - does that mean she was living with her grandparents so didn't appear on the census? I have a Mary Marshall born 1828 so would Robert Marshall and Isabella Donaldson likely be her parents?
I have a visual impairment which makes research difficult to please forgive any silly questions :)
Hutchison - Midlothian
Dow & Gray - Ayrshire
McQuillan - Ballymena /  Donegal
Reilly - Cavan / Cork

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Re: Possible Gypsy Ancestry? HUTCHISON, Scotland
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 02 May 18 18:42 BST (UK) »
 :) Just visiting for the night perhaps?
you need to track Robert Marshall and Isabella Donaldson back from 1861 census.
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Re: Possible Gypsy Ancestry? HUTCHISON, Scotland
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 02 May 18 19:49 BST (UK) »
Hi again, James Haywood and Mary were living at 6, Monastery Street, Fife in 1851 census, at 9, Monastery Street were:-

Robert Marshall 50 occ Wight/Wright b Cornhill, Durham, in 1861 b England occ Joiner.
Isabella 58
Janet 20
James 17
Grace 15
Isabella 13
Robert 11

1841 census Broad Street, Fife

Robert Marshall 40
Isble 44
Jane 15
Mary 11
Janet 9
James 7
Grace 5
Isabella 3
Robert 0

Mary Marshall born 16th January 1828 Fife, Father Robert Mother Isabella Donaldson
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Re: Possible Gypsy Ancestry? HUTCHISON, Scotland
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 03 May 18 16:53 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the info - I hadn't found Mary Marshall's parents so far, always good to get another bit of the tree filled in! :)

I'm a bit confused about Robert Marshall. I've found the 2 censues you reference on ancestry, seems to be the same person as the childrens names etc are all accurate but one census has him born in Durham in 1801 and another (1841) has him born in Fife in 1801.

I'm more inclined to go with the Fife one but do you know why there'd be such a difference in the records? (or have I misunderstood something? brain is very tired today!)
I have a visual impairment which makes research difficult to please forgive any silly questions :)
Hutchison - Midlothian
Dow & Gray - Ayrshire
McQuillan - Ballymena /  Donegal
Reilly - Cavan / Cork

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Re: Possible Gypsy Ancestry? HUTCHISON, Scotland
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 03 May 18 17:01 BST (UK) »
 :) 1841 census is always a problem especially "Rounding down" of ages ( although in this case in Scotland it did not appear to happen ) I am happy that 1841/51/61 are the same family though!
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PS In 1861 he is born England not Scotland occ Joiner still in Monastery Street, Fife
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Re: Possible Gypsy Ancestry? HUTCHISON, Scotland
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 03 May 18 17:34 BST (UK) »
Hi again, this appears to be the baptism of Robert Marshall:-

Robert Marshall 1st May 1801 Cornhill Father James Mother Jane.
Notes on father Dissenter?
What was a "Dissenter" in 1801 Durham /Northumberland anyone!
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