Elizabeth Smith, born 1819, Orsett

[MacGrigor]

Hello,

Elizabeth was born in around 1819 in Orsett. She married twice: first to William Goddard in 1838 in Chadwell St. Mary and at Battle Bridge in 1881 to George Dudley. Her father appeared to be a Charles Smith in 1881 according to one user, and one user who viewed the 1838 marriage said the father was a John Smith. Someone once found me a baptism with a father Benjamin Smith. Elizabeth died as Elizabeth Dudley in 1903, in Chadwell St. Mary.

Can anyone clear this up for me?

Adam

[emeltom]

Images of the Bishop[s Transcripts for Orsett are free to view on the familysearch site Catalogue. I have been through the baptisms from 1818 to 1820 and the only baptism for an Elizabeth Smith is

19 December 1819 Elizabeth daughter of Benjamin and Rebecca Smith, abode Orsett, occupation Farrier.

Emeltom

[jonw65]

We did that one in April

Elizabeth Smith, born c. 1819, Orsett

There's Elizabeth Smith, bap 19 Dec 1819 at Orsett.
Parents Benjamin + Rebecca
Father a Farrier

You can see the BT here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSLF-89N?i=108&cat=515413

Is that the right one?

[jonw65]

Gaddard for Goddard on ancestry for the 81 marriage, father Charles Smith

[MacGrigor]

Yep so there's a clear discrepancy between Benjamin Smith and a Charles Smith. But only one baptism! And I'm sure someone said her first marriage gave her father as John Smith.

[jonw65]

I'm not sure if there are much in the way of indexes available for Orsett, you could look through those BT's for some years either side (hoping there aren't big gaps) and see if there is further Smith activity.  Could Benjamin have died and Rebecca remarried? Did they move to Chadwell, or what Smiths if any were in Chadwell.
There's a Charles Smith in Chadwell St Mary in 1841, also John, with other Smiths
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ2Z-B4Q

Is that John Smith in 41 this one in Chadwell in 1851, born Orsett?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGV4-25G

[MacGrigor]

The John Smith from 1851 would be about the same age as Elizabeth. I really don't know. It doesn't help that the surname is so popular.

[LizzieL]

I'm not sure if there are much in the way of indexes available for Orsett, you could look through those BT's for some years either side (hoping there aren't big gaps) and see if there is further Smith activity.  Could Benjamin have died and Rebecca remarried? Did they move to Chadwell, or what Smiths if any were in Chadwell.
There's a Charles Smith in Chadwell St Mary in 1841, also John, with other Smiths
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ2Z-B4Q

Is that John Smith in 41 this one in Chadwell in 1851, born Orsett?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGV4-25G

On the 1838 marriage both William and Elizabeth's fathers are recorded as John. Could the clerk have made a mistake and John was only correct for William's father?
William and Elizabeth called their first son John William and second William (not counting Henry who was Elizabeth's illegit bapt 26 Feb 1836). Their third son was called Charles. Marriage and early baptisms have surname as Gorred/Gorrad/ Gored. But seems to become Goddard when the vicar changes. It may be that William had a strong accent or speech impediment and rev Evan Jones spelt what he thought he heard. William was from Enfield Middx, so may have had completely different accent from the locals.
The Charles Smith in Chadwell St M is in the same house as Joseph and Ann Smith and their children, but judging by the marks in the margin he and John Smith were a separate household. Could Charles be Elizabeth's father and John and Joseph her brothers?

[MacGrigor]

Well William's father was certainly John - he has two baptisms, one at the Independent Church in Ponders End and one at the C of E church in Enfield shortly afterwards.

You said you saw a baptism for Henry born 1836, is there anything on William born 1841? I think someone's looked before but I do have a pretty terrible memory.

That's certainly an interesting theory, but it's very confusing with two contradictory marriage records and no baptisms