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Brickwall: James Carr
« on: Saturday 12 May 18 09:35 BST (UK) »
Hi guys, don't know if anyone can help me further but I have hit a brick wall with my ancestor James Carr.

He was born between 1871 - 1875 (marriage cert suggests it was 1874), and gives his birth place as 'Black Hill, County Durham, England' on the 1911 census. He married Catherine McGuigan in 1902 in the Gateshead district, on the marriage certificate he gives his father's name as 'James Carr', who was deceased at the time of wedding, but had been a 'general labourer'. James junior had two children, Catherine Carr and James Bernard Carr.

It is the marriage certificate that threw my research off, because I found a family I thought matched him in 1881 in Black Hill, but the father was William Carr...so it can't have been my James. It seemed a perfect match too, because there was a brother 'Bernard Carr' in this family, which made sense since my James named one of his sons 'James Bernard'. Anyway, turns out to be wrong family in 1881 according to the marriage certificate.

In 1902, James was living at 15 Field Street, Felling. I can't find any more info to go on to find the right James's birth certificate or family. I did find a WW1 document which I think was him, except his wife's maiden name was 'McGuiggs', but I can't seem to find this document on Ancestry now.

Can anyone help me break through this brick wall and get further back then this James? I had no problems getting further back with Catherine, just fyi. Thank you so much

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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 12 May 18 09:40 BST (UK) »
Who were the witnesses to the 1902 marriage?

Did James survive to 1939 and if so do you have his birthdate as stated in the 1939 Register?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 12 May 18 09:43 BST (UK) »
No I believe he died while Catherine Carr junior was still very young.

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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 12 May 18 09:49 BST (UK) »
James and Catherine had a child you haven’t mentioned:

Margaret Annie Carr, mother’s maiden name McGuigan, birth reg Dec qtr 1905 Gateshead.

Possible death as Margaret Ann Carr aged 3, Dec qtr 1908 Tynemouth.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 12 May 18 09:50 BST (UK) »
James and Catherine had a child you haven’t mentioned:

Margaret Annie Carr, mother’s maiden name McGuigan, birth reg Dec qtr 1905 Gateshead.

Possible death as Margaret Ann Carr aged 3, Dec qtr 1908 Tynemouth.

Oh I didn't know this, thanks so much for finding this!

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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 12 May 18 09:51 BST (UK) »
I might be remembering incorrectly, but I think that WW1 document that disappeared from Ancestry had something to do with a pension for his wife, so he may have died around 1914-1918.

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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 12 May 18 09:54 BST (UK) »
There is an Army record for a James Carr who married at St Patrick Felling in 1902 wife's name transcribed as Catherine McGuiggs. I haven't time to look at it as I have to go out.

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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 12 May 18 10:13 BST (UK) »
There is an Army record for a James Carr who married at St Patrick Felling in 1902 wife's name transcribed as Catherine McGuiggs. I haven't time to look at it as I have to go out.

Yes, that’s him.  Details extracted:

Attested (at Barnard Castle) for 6 yrs service in the Durham Light Infantry in July 1908
Birthplace: Felling, Durham
Age: 26 yrs 1 month in July 1908
Roman Catholic
Height: 5’ 5.5”
Weight: 10st 7lb
Eyes: blue
Hair: light brown

Served in France: 4.12.1914 to 22.3.1915.

Discharged: 25 June 1915 no longer physically fit for war service
Conduct: Bad

Next of kin: Mother, Rose McGrady?, 42 Dunston Gr, Hebburn; brother, John Carr. (Wife, Catherine is also entered but later struck through).

Marriage: to Catherine McGuiggan, St Patrick, Felling, 26 Jan? 1902.  Witnesses: Joseph Donald, Sarah Ann Donnelly. (This is subsequently struck through).

Children’s names and birthdates/birthplaces are entered but subsequently struck through.

Address on discharge: 93 William St, Hebburn on Tyne.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Brickwall: James Carr
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 12 May 18 10:18 BST (UK) »
There is an Army record for a James Carr who married at St Patrick Felling in 1902 wife's name transcribed as Catherine McGuiggs. I haven't time to look at it as I have to go out.

Yes, that’s him.  Details extracted:

Attested (at Barnard Castle) for 6 yrs service in the Durham Light Infantry in July 1908
Birthplace: Felling, Durham
Age: 26 yrs 1 month in July 1908
Roman Catholic
Height: 5’ 5.5”
Weight: 10st 7lb
Eyes: blue
Hair: light brown

Discharged: 25 June 1915 no longer physically fit for war service
Conduct: Bad

Wow, thanks for finding this! Haha, wonder why his conduct was bad. What collection should I search to find this document? Also, when it says 'attested for 6 years at Barnard Castle', does that mean he served in that castle for 6 years for the military in some way?

Also, his wife Catherine died in 1917, and I think he may have died before her, but I could be wrong.