Walmer & Deal, Kent - Looking for Benjamin Flanders DOB 1841 Dilham, Norfolk

[ejflanders]

Hi and Thank You Kay, Solidrock and Rosie99 for the replies, so quick!

My problem with tracing Benjamin is after 1861 when he appears in the census in Kent.  There is a B.F. in Holbeach Lincolnshire but he is not my Benjamin.  I can't locate a marriage certificate for Ben though he did have children, my GGF, Benjamin John Flanders, born in 1866, registered in Eastry, Kent and his record is listed on page 155 in the civil births Vol 2a Pg 745. Benjamin John then married Cecilia Nightingale in Kent. I am thinking I may need to order his birth certificate for more information.

EJ

[redtonyt]

Robert John Flanders born JFM quarter MARYLEBONE 1862  mother's maiden name WATLER

Benjamin John Flanders born JAS quarter EASTRY 1866 - mother's maiden name WATLER

Joseph Flanders born OND quarter EASTRY 1869 - mother's maiden name WATLER


1871 census - Piece 1004/Folio 13/Page 18
(mis-transcribed as HANDERS)

Robt Handers aged 33 Norfolk  Cordwainer
Sarah Handers aged 34 Ramsgate Needlewoman
Robt Handers aged 10 Marylebone
Benjn Handers aged 4 Deal
Joseph Handers aged 1 Deal


Is this Benjamin John Flanders your GGF?   His father's name appears to be Robert.


Robert Flanders and Sarah Elizabeth Watler married JAS quarter 1868 EASTRY  2a 1203



Tony

[Annette7]

I agree with redtonyt - Benjamin John Flanders was the son of Robert Flanders b.1838 Aylsham (elder brother of Benjamin b.1841).

As redtonyt says, Robert Flanders and Sarah Elizabeth Watler did not marry until 1868 by which time they'd had 2 children: Robert birth reg'd Mar.1862 Marylebone (mmn Watler) and then Benjamin John in 1866 at Deal.

In 1861 Robert and Sarah are already living as man and wife in Marylebone although for some reason he states his birthplace as Ely, Cambs.

Mother Martha died in 1863 and Benjamin seems to vanish after then - however, he is not the man you want who is his elder brother Robert.

Annette

[ejflanders]

Thank you very much for the very useful information!  It does seem that Robert is my GGGF!

[trish1120]

Now something is strange here.
Was Robert widowed when he married Cecelia?

Or is something wrong here with the Robert who married Cecelia?

Marriage;
07 Apr 1883, St Andrew, Deal
Robert John FLANDERS age 22, Bachelor, Bricklayer, Father ROBERT a Bootmaker
Susannah CRAKER age 20, Spinster, Father JOHN a Labourer
Both of Deal
Witnesses John and Sarah Craker.
(FreeREG)

Christening;
Familysearch.Org
BENJAMIN JOSEPH Flanders 28 June 1891 Deal
Parents Benjamin John and Susannah

Appears to be them in 1891 although Bens age is out;
Robert I Flanders, 36, Head, Bricklayer, born Deal
Susannah Flanders, 28
Edith Sarah Flanders, 7
Robert William Flanders, 4

[ejflanders]

Hi Trish1120,

Robert (the bootmaker) married Sarah Watler.  He was my GGGF. 
His son Benjamin John (married Cecilia Nightingale) is my GGF.
Robert John is the brother of Benjamin.
I will need to do some more digging regarding the Familysearch.org information you posted, I am not familiar with that resource, I've used Ancestry and FindMyPast for my investigations.

It is all so interesting!

EJ

[trish1120]

Hi again EJ,
Familysearch.Org and FreeREG are great free resources.
F/S you have to register to use but it is free to search.

Do you actually have any Marriage Certs of the couples in your Tree?

Trish

[Dyingout]

As Benjamins father Smith was a excise Revenue man (early Customs excise official)  Smuggling would have been rife in the Deal and Walmer area, as it was all along the south east coast. Hence his posting there.
Possibly Benjamin followed in dads footsteps and became a revenue man himself. If so he could have been posted to anywhere.
this may bea good place to look.
https://goo.gl/gowxuv

[ejflanders]

 Thanks so much for your help!  I will check out that site Dryingout

Trish I have marriage certificates for my Grandparents but not any before that.

EJ