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John James DEARLOVE
« on: Sunday 27 May 18 12:35 BST (UK) »
Hi

I am trying to find out what happened to John James DEARLOVE, who was sentenced to 10 years deportation at the Old Bailey in 1844, aged 23. He was transported aboard the Maria Somes which arrived in Van Diemens Land on 30 Jul 1844.

I have no idea what happened to him after his arrival, presumably still alive.

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Re: John James DEARLOVE
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 27 May 18 13:09 BST (UK) »
John DEARLOVE (Convict record) https://tinyurl.com/ybvlmd3u

1852 Marriage Permissions
DEARLOVE, John
Ship/free: Maria Somes
Marriage to:
EGAN, Mary
Ship/free: Duke of Cornwall
Permission date: 13 Sep 1852
https://tinyurl.com/yad8y4al
https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON52-1-5p030j2k


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Re: John James DEARLOVE
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 27 May 18 13:25 BST (UK) »
Some mentions on Trove: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m4m/
1851 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65573965
TICKETS-OF-LEAVE GRANTED.
...John Dearlove, Maria Somes

1852 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/173062770
CONVICT DEPARTMENT.
Controller General's Office, 4th Oct.
....His Excellency the Lieutenant-Governor has been pleased to approve of the solemnization of Matrimony between the under-mentioned parties: ... John Dearlove, t.l., "Maria Somes" 1, and Mary Evans, "Anna Maria," both residing in the Hobart district.

1852 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/173062789
CONVICT DEPARTMENT.
Controller-General’s Office,
11th October, 1852.
The Lieutenant-Governor has been pleased to withdraw his sanction to the marriage of the under-mentioned persons ;—
John Dearlove. T. L„ "Maria Somes," and Mary Evans, “Anna Maria”, both residing in the Hobart District.

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Re: John James DEARLOVE
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 27 May 18 13:58 BST (UK) »
John DEARLOVE (Convict record) https://tinyurl.com/ybvlmd3u

1852 Marriage Permissions
DEARLOVE, John
Ship/free: Maria Somes
Marriage to:
EGAN, Mary
Ship/free: Duke of Cornwall
Permission date: 13 Sep 1852
https://tinyurl.com/yad8y4al
https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON52-1-5p030j2k

This is not correct. Mary EGAN of the Duke of Cornwall died on 11 Sep 1852 at Oatlands.

For some reason Tas Archives has indexed the woman's name as Mary EGAN of the Duke of Cornwall when the actual document says Maria EVANS of the D (could be Duke or Duchess) of Cornwall.  The newspaper names her as Mary EVANS of the Anna Maria which I think is probably correct.

Permission was refused as his wife was still alive and Mary EVANS married someone else.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/173062770
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/173062789

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m4n/

Debra  :)

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Re: John James DEARLOVE
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 27 May 18 14:48 BST (UK) »
In case you dont have the Marriage;
15 May 1842, All Saints, Edmonton, Middlesex, to Esther DANIELS

Looks like Esther had a lover!

1851 Census
Esther Dearlove, 31, Mar, Visitor, Needlewoman, born Edmonton
John Dearlove, 8, Son
Esther Dearlove, 2, Daug

1861 Census
Esther Dearlove   41
John Dearlove   18
Esther Dearlove   12
Sarah Dearlove   9
Emma Dearlove   7
Rebecca Dearlove 1mth
Charles Day   3
William Day   40
Harriet Day   16

As Esther is with William Day in 1851 also he may have been the culprit.


John William Dearloves birth reg has Mothers mn as Daniels

Esther is reg as Day, Mothers mn Daniels.

William Day/Esther Dearlove finally married 1863.

You probably have this Greaves but it may help someone else in the future.
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Re: John James DEARLOVE
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 27 May 18 16:29 BST (UK) »
Trish - many thanks, but yes I had all this. My original question was where was John in 1851? Esther was already living with William in 1851, but still married to John. I couldn't work out what happened to John, but I now know he was transported.

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Re: John James DEARLOVE
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 27 May 18 16:47 BST (UK) »
Fair enough. Cant see anything for him in Oz with my resources sorry.

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Re: John James DEARLOVE
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 27 May 18 16:54 BST (UK) »
Dundee - how do you know the reason for the withdrawal of permission? I ask because in my experience, transportation effectively worked as a divorce. Certainly, his wife in England re-married as a widow. And another of my relatives also re-married as a widow following the transportation of her husband.

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Re: John James DEARLOVE
« Reply #8 on: Monday 28 May 18 12:05 BST (UK) »
It is in his convict records - In the event of this man petitioning to be married the Bp [Bishop] of Tasmania certifies that his wife is still alive in England.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m4n/

Of course I don't know if that is definitely the reason.  It wasn't always the case that a first marriage was disregarded.  I have documents for a woman who had already twice applied to marry and was refused and  the only reason she was approved the third time was that another convict stated that he had attended her husband's funeral in Ireland (liar, liar, pants on fire  ;D )

Your John did not have a life sentence so technically he could have completed his 10 years and returned to England.

Esther did not remarry until 1863 so I think that if there was no contact after 20 years then he could reasonably be assumed to be dead.

Debra  :)