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Re: Trying to locate the parents of JAMES ESHERWOOD...
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 27 May 18 20:05 BST (UK) »
Just found that one:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m4r/

Interesting to see brother Squire there.

A Bennet and Squire Isherwood of the right sort of ages to be these brothers received a number of convictions for larceny in Lancs 1847-8.

(But I suppose the other Bennet may also have had a brother named Squire).
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Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
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London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
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Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
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Re: Trying to locate the parents of JAMES ESHERWOOD...
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 27 May 18 20:14 BST (UK) »
I notice in 1851 Squire is in prison.
What's left of the family in 51:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m4s/
Don't want to jump too far back but Jane may be Jane Hamer married to John Isherwood in 1828.
I'm put off by the large number of children there is called Isherwood mmn Hamer.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Trying to locate the parents of JAMES ESHERWOOD...
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 27 May 18 22:37 BST (UK) »
I notice in 1851 Squire is in prison.
What's left of the family in 51:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m4s/
Don't want to jump too far back but Jane may be Jane Hamer married to John Isherwood in 1828.
I'm put off by the large number of children there is called Isherwood mmn Hamer.

Thank you all for your help so far!

When you say you're put off, do you think this isn't the right family?

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Re: Trying to locate the parents of JAMES ESHERWOOD...
« Reply #21 on: Monday 28 May 18 07:12 BST (UK) »
Good Evening,

I am trying to locate the parents of my Great Great Grandfather James Esherwood. James was born in Westminster on 7 Feb 1866.

On the 1881 census (aged 14) he was located living at an Industrial School in Essex, joining the army shortly afterwards.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/7572/ESSRG11_1756_1760-0315/5006765?backurl=https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/150781421/person/332001138256/facts/citation/962001351583/edit/record

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1219/gbrmil1914r4pt2_138500-00727/645592?backurl=https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/150781421/person/332001138256/facts/citation/962001351989/edit/record

I cannot locate any birth records for James, but I know his father was called Benjamin Esherwood from James' marriages certificates (he was married twice). Benjamin was a sailor.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1623/31280_196301-00220/2693433?backurl=https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/150781421/person/332001138256/facts/citation/962001247125/edit/record

James had two brothers called Bennett and John, and possibly a sister called Ellen (Not 100% on the sister, I found her name as a next of kin on one of the brothers army service records but she is not named on James' like his two brothers were).

I'm after any help that could point me in the right direction of James' mother, and more information about his father. I just can't seem to find anything at all.

Thanks in advance.

Hello

From the comments you may have this already?

Added: noticed Mike put a link. Definitely wants thorough investigation and a double check of all your other records against the full marriage indexes etc., again ...

1871 Census Place, St John, Westminster, London, Middlesex
Bennett Isherwood   Head   M   39   Blank, Lancashire
Catherine Isherwood   Wife   F   32   Brighton
Bennett Isherwood   Son   M   6   Westra, Westmorland
Ellen Isherwood   Daughter   F   8   Shoreditch, Shropshire
James Isherwood   Son   M   4   Westra, Westmorland
John Isherwood   Son   M   2   Westra, Westmorland

**Above transcription requires checking against the actual image**


I see in the links, reference to 'family-tree', not sure whose this is.

However, I wouldn't trust the family tree of anyone else, for all the tea in china. Nor would I trust the information from Family Search (from where I have quoted), without seeing the original Census image, or other original images Family Search volunteers have transcribed from.

There are numerous transcription and other errors online, both from documents and assumptions in trees, due to copying and other assumptions because they seem near enough, but can belong to another line (not even related).

In family history the researcher must be working backward from the actual Certificate Copies of your earliest known Ancestor known to you and your actual known family, along with the Census for this period in time 1841 to 1911, as primary information. Bear in mind Census Enumerators sometimes wrote down what they heard spoken.

When Civil Registration began in England and Wales in 1837, there was no Legal requirement to Register a Birth.

Bear in mind a few Census Sheets for England & Wales are missing. But it is possible to check with a place name, as the missing parts of a Census were generally listed on transfer to the Public Record Office (now TNA), Kew.

Mark


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Re: Trying to locate the parents of JAMES ESHERWOOD...
« Reply #22 on: Monday 28 May 18 09:10 BST (UK) »
On Free BMD 1861 to 1871 a search of Bennett first name and the only nearest was Bennett ISHERWOOD registered, who was claimed to be born in the District of Blackburn in the June Quarter of 1863.

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1861 to 1871 on Free BMD (England & Wales) I can't find any ESHERWOOD births at all?

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Perhaps the GRO Index gov.uk may have some 1861 to 1871?
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

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Going back to the 1871 Census transcription, it may be that the birth was not registered, or not registered straight away, by which time those parents had moved on, or did not Register the birth, or Registered birth later.

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A Hawker was a Seller, or Vendor and I suspect some travelled from place to place and around the country and there may have been a bit of romancing in the claims of some.

Mark

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Re: Trying to locate the parents of JAMES ESHERWOOD...
« Reply #23 on: Monday 28 May 18 09:49 BST (UK) »
After doing a bit of researching last night I realised that the family name probably should be Isherwood and not Esherwood. It looks like the Esherwood name actually began with my Great Great Grandfather and his brothers when they were enrolled at the Industrial School.

The 1871 census has the family living together in Westminster, but by 1881 the father had died and the mother was in a workhouse (dying herself later that year). The boys were then sent to an industrial school in Essex. I cannot seem to locate what happened to Ellen who would have been 18 at this point.

It seemed after this that James and John joined the army, and I can trace their lives from here.

The son Bennett Iím still looking into but he died in Grimsby in 1913.

I have no idea what happened to Ellen. I can not locate her at all but she is named as a next of kin on the youngest brother (John) army service record. She is not named on my Jamesí (which I find a bit odd as his brothers are named - and surely she wouldnít be on the youngest brothersí record if she had died as James joined up first).

I cannot seem to locate a marriage record forBennett and Catherine, nor any birth records for their children.

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Re: Trying to locate the parents of JAMES ESHERWOOD...
« Reply #24 on: Monday 28 May 18 10:13 BST (UK) »

The son Bennett Iím still looking into but he died in Grimsby in 1913.


Yes, Bennett ESHERWOOD, 91 Thorold Street, Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire, died 1913.
Wills Calendar index (1858 to 1996) - Probate to Eva McFall (Wife of Thomas McFall).

For £10 might mention relative/s? They have been taking from a few working days to a week, currently. Download and save them though.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar

Is Mrs Eva McFall related? Person applying for Probate might be related, or an Executor appointed by the Testator's (deceased) Will.

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Re: Trying to locate the parents of JAMES ESHERWOOD...
« Reply #25 on: Monday 28 May 18 11:10 BST (UK) »
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When you say you're put off, do you think this isn't the right family?
There are a large number of children called Isherwood all with mothers called Hamer from 1838 to the 1850's. All born Lancs. except Ann Jane born Yorks. 1842 who I believe is Jane aged 9 on the 1851 census (see link) with John & Jane. All the others after her must be from another family but not sure about the one's before her.
The same family from 1841 as they're still living in Almondbury.
So the family look like John & Jane (nee Hamer m. 1828) + children Squire, Bennett, Hannah, William & (Ann) Jane.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Trying to locate the parents of JAMES ESHERWOOD...
« Reply #26 on: Monday 28 May 18 11:13 BST (UK) »
The death age of Bennett ESHERWOOD in 1913 of 46 years in the printed Index, puts his birth about 1867 to 1866.

That birth in the District of Blackburn is 3 years out at 1863.

Mark